What pro teams use what guns??

[RavishingEddie]

Your still failing to isolate the variables between the different players. Be it from ability with a marker, to movement, to cheating....

I will not isolate individual players because that would be too difficult to do, and even if I did find a way I donot think it would be as accurate, since you might face other variables like health, mental state, injury, etc. Instead I will use the whole team because that is what wins games, teamwork. Second if a player is not feeling well or any other problems that might occur, it would be the team that fixes the problem or replaces the player. By examining just the team itself, I believe would give me a better result over individual players. It won't be 100%, but close enough to figure out if guns really do make differences and how. In the end I will test my results, by comparing the results of the pro teams over the amateur teams.

[warbeak2099]

Exactly, it's too hard. What you should have learned about in statistics is conflicting variables. You have too many in this situation for your report to be accurate. If you're just going to ignore them all then you have a useless report. It won't be 100%, no, but it won't even be close to 50% if you use the system you're planning on using.

[Lohman446]

I will not isolate individual players because that would be too difficult to do, and even if I did find a way I donot think it would be as accurate, since you might face other variables like health, mental state, injury, etc. Instead I will use the whole team because that is what wins games, teamwork. Second if a player is not feeling well or any other problems that might occur, it would be the team that fixes the problem or replaces the player. By examining just the team itself, I believe would give me a better result over individual players. It won't be 100%, but close enough to figure out if guns really do make differences and how. In the end I will test my results, by comparing the results of the pro teams over the amateur teams.

You have failed to isolate the variables that allow a team to win. Give Dynasty BE Raptors against a team of chimps with Super markers and guess who wins. Extreme example obvioulsy, but its meant for illustration

[Pyroboy597]

Once you reach the level of equiptment that the pro players use, it is nearly impossible to conclude which will help the performance of the players the most. The only reason a team uses a specific gun out of the "elite" group is because they are sponsored or associated with that company in some way. Teams are not good because of their guns, although I disagree with people when they say that a team with pump guns could easily beat a group of 5 people with good guns... the odds just are not in their favor.

[scrumpy]

Once you reach the level of equiptment that the pro players use, it is nearly impossible to conclude which will help the performance of the players the most. The only reason a team uses a specific gun out of the "elite" group is because they are sponsored or associated with that company in some way. Teams are not good because of their guns, although I disagree with people when they say that a team with pump guns could easily beat a group of 5 people with good guns... the odds just are not in their favor.

Not true.
I participated in the Sup' Air bowl 6 in Minnesota this year and watched a three man team of pumps make it into the finals. They beat all of the kids with their sweet high ROF Ego's and what not using phantoms etc. They probably would have won but they were DQ'd because they were playing below their skill level. They were cheating in that sense but point being that skill dominates equipment.
Pumping

[RavishingEddie]

You have failed to isolate the variables that allow a team to win. Give Dynasty BE Raptors against a team of chimps with Super markers and guess who wins. Extreme example obvioulsy, but its meant for illustration

Yes you are right about the value of skill, as I also believe it is a strong value to consider. The reason I don't feel like entering this into my report is because we are comparing apples with apples. Not apples with oranges in your "Dynasty vs. Chimp" illustration. Pro teams go back and forth, because as teams they are almost exactly equal. So many times I have heard pros say "luck was or wasn't on our side" Therefor I feel optimistic on the success of my report, because I won't have to focus so much on skill. What do you guys think? Success :) or No success Or who cares

[Lohman446]

Yes you are right about the value of skill, as I also believe it is a strong value to consider. The reason I don't feel like entering this into my report is because we are comparing apples with apples. Not apples with oranges in your "Dynasty vs. Chimp" illustration. Pro teams go back and forth, because as teams they are almost exactly equal. So many times I have heard pros say "luck was or wasn't on our side" Therefor I feel optimistic on the success of my report, because I won't have to focus so much on skill. What do you guys think? Success :) or No success Or who cares

I'm interested in seeing what you come up with but I beleive you are discounting a skill difference that exists between teams. When Dynasty moved from Angels to Shockers and started reclaiming the top was it because Shockers were better than Angels or because they had the backing to practice more? When a team switches markers often (I'm considering Naughty Dogs here) and it does not change much is it the marker? For your study to be accurate you would almost have to assert that marker choice is the determining factor in a teams success. I would argue that skill is far more important. I would point out that if we wanted to consider equipment we might consider paint... think of lucky bounces, paint blown in breeches, etc. The point of "Dynasty vs Chimps" was an extreme to illustrate the point.

[RavishingEddie]

I'm interested in seeing what you come up with but I beleive you are discounting a skill difference that exists between teams. When Dynasty moved from Angels to Shockers and started reclaiming the top was it because Shockers were better than Angels or because they had the backing to practice more? When a team switches markers often (I'm considering Naughty Dogs here) and it does not change much is it the marker? For your study to be accurate you would almost have to assert that marker choice is the determining factor in a teams success. I would argue that skill is far more important. I would point out that if we wanted to consider equipment we might consider paint... think of lucky bounces, paint blown in breeches, etc. The point of "Dynasty vs Chimps" was an extreme to illustrate the point.

You have good points and I will use them in my analysis. Man that paint variable will be very important. I will do several tests because I might not be able to come up with one answer.

[magman007]

I am pretty sure AGD no longer sponsors any speedball team. They used to sponsor a handfull of Amatuer teams like AGD Kids, AGD Pride, AGD Lions, AGD Lock N Load...

and just to clarify
Oakland/ Philly Assassins - Timmys
Stoned Assassins - Shockers

(edit)Also a few I forgot...
Oakland Empire - Timmys
Jacksonville Raiders - Shockers
HK Army - Shockers
NRG - Egos (I believe)

when did there become an philly assassins?