Does ramping encourage movement?

**shartley** · 05-23-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Lohman446

Ok... Yes I have started to use a ramping mode were legal. Frankly if I beleived any number of paintballs in the air was remotely dangerous I would not step on the field. I understand there is a risk with any activity, but I have found ramping to be an acceptable risk.

I have no intent of arguing if ramping is right or wrong in this thread.

I found when I played this weekend that I would cover my own moves, run and gun far more, and use ramping to actually encourage my own movement. I moved as more using a ramping marker, and made longer runs, then I normally do. Granted there were factors beyond ramping but I found ramping helped my movement.

I think there is a valid argument that, rather than just "locking" down the field, ramping allows more movement. Thoughts?

**warbeak2099** · 05-23-2006, 10:46 AM

I think it certainly encourages a lot more focus on the problem of movement under fire. It's a lot harder to move now with ramping. You've got to use your head a lot more now and make smarter decisions about where you're moving to. Using your bunker as a "house", as a recent APG article put it, is more important. I've noticed that I need to use some new techniques. I used to have a real bad habit of hugging up against my bunker. I don't do that anymore.

**geekwarrior** · 05-23-2006, 01:23 PM

first question, was everyone else ramping?

if not, than I'm sure it helped. If so, it may have made you feel more confident, and probably does increase your change of hitting someone on the run. Maybe its more intimidating for the guy on the other end for that much paint caoming back at him and he plays a little tighter? I played with my Angel for the first time (normally shoot a mag), and having that extra speed made me more aggressive. But I alos could lock the field down better to.

That being said I dont think it counters entirely the arguement that it locks down the field. If someone is shooting ropes, it doesnt matter if you are shooting faster running or not, you won't make it through that lane.

An interesting arguement at any rate

**Lohman446** · 05-23-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by geekwarrior

first question, was everyone else ramping?

if not, than I'm sure it helped. If so, it may have made you feel more confident, and probably does increase your change of hitting someone on the run. Maybe its more intimidating for the guy on the other end for that much paint caoming back at him and he plays a little tighter? I played with my Angel for the first time (normally shoot a mag), and having that extra speed made me more aggressive. But I alos could lock the field down better to.

That being said I dont think it counters entirely the arguement that it locks down the field. If someone is shooting ropes, it doesnt matter if you are shooting faster running or not, you won't make it through that lane.

An interesting arguement at any rate

Everyone was allowed to ramp, I don't know that many other teams had five ramping markers on the field. The point is, I only need a half second of getting you in to break down a tape, keeping a stream on you, and finding a new bunker. Without ramping this is not as readily done.

It was likely not related to my level of aggressiveness - which my team often refers to at the level of stupid

**geekwarrior** · 05-23-2006, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Lohman446

Everyone was allowed to ramp, I don't know that many other teams had five ramping markers on the field. The point is, I only need a half second of getting you in to break down a tape, keeping a stream on you, and finding a new bunker. Without ramping this is not as readily done.

It was likely not related to my level of aggressiveness - which my team often refers to at the level of stupid

sounds like you locked the field down while moving

**stop whining buy a mag** · 05-23-2006, 02:23 PM

I'm a little more hesitant to run and gun off the break while trying to make it to a tombstone on the 30. I did it every single game last week and made it there perfectly fine.

I think the whole thing about having a "fast shooting backman" is gone. Your frontman can dump out just as much paint if he has the opportunity.

I think it just gives people the confidence to move. They figure, if I can shoot as fast as the other guy shooting me, I've got a pretty good chance of keeping him in and making it to my bunker opposed to the normal rookie player still learning the running and gunning skills in semi.

**REDRT** · 05-23-2006, 02:56 PM

I find myself moving much more playing where ramping is allowed. I kinda have to now. It is alot easier to pin a guy down, but I don't like being that guy pinned.

**BD_Paintball** · 05-23-2006, 02:58 PM

i really dont think it has a very big effect on movement. i do belive that it makes teams play alot smarter. also bad teams that can get away with bad moves when not ramping will not do very good when they are playing with ramping. i believe that ramping helps good teams and hurts bad teams but does not have an effect on movement

**68magOwner** · 05-23-2006, 03:23 PM

i have been saying this shince you were making your criminal neglagence threads. When playing with ramping, you find yourself doing alot less gunfighting, and alot more moving and playing angles.

**NoForts4Me** · 05-23-2006, 04:12 PM

Why would playing with ramping encourage movement?

Does semi only discourage movement? How about pump or stock class?

I think what it does (from the perspective of movement) is make it easier to run and shoot, or hold down someone while moving. Of course, this is from observation, as I've never played with a gun on ramping. I don't know that that actually encourages movement, but it can make it easier.

I think movement is more about the players or teams. While watching the NPPL on ESPN, I've noticed some teams move a lot, others don't.

I'm actually more interested in why you, Mr. Lohman446, have decided to ramp? W/O going back and looking at a bunch of threads, I seem to remember you being against it (I'm old, though, so my memory could be bad

).

**RRfireblade** · 05-23-2006, 04:24 PM

The only real place that I see ramping making a noticable difference is in bunkering and run throughs.

It used to be that it took alot of shooting skill to maintain a stream of fire while making a bunker move or a run through. No it seems everyone is 'capable' of it.

Oh the other hand, since I still refuse to ramp against the ramper I typically have an easier time outshooting most others during snap shooting and it's easier to catch people on the reload since they relaod more often now.

So....I'm digging it.

For ther record , my local field regulary has pro and semi pro teams practicing there. I feel pretty good about being able to hang with that crowd. It's quite a different ball game against walk ons.

**Lohman446** · 05-23-2006, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by NoForts4Me

I'm actually more interested in why you, Mr. Lohman446, have decided to ramp? W/O going back and looking at a bunch of threads, I seem to remember you being against it (I'm old, though, so my memory could be bad

).

My major concerns with ramping had to do with negligence, and they still do. Either I feel the atmosphere has changed, or I'm playing the odds that nothing bad will happen. I like to think I am more responsible, and am not going to be involved in a close range lighting up of someone. Even my arguments than were concerned with the legal aftermath more than the risk of injury

If I thought that having paintballs in the air represented an unacceptable risk I would not play... No, thats wrong, I would play even if the risks were severe. The point is I do not beleive that paintball as it is played now is too dangerous. I do not think that the amount of balls in the air change the danger factor. So I have accepted that while there is a distinct legal problem with the amount of balls in the air, the risk of severe injury is so remote that I am likely safe from the aftermath.

Beemer would call it the stupid paintball player syndrome, stick your head in the dirt and ignore the risks. Its not that simplistic.

On the face, its a drastic change of my views. Its not really. I still hold the same baseviews, I have just become less risk adverse in regards to those views.

**Z-man** · 05-23-2006, 07:19 PM

What I have found.

At
5bps- I shoot but don't move
10bps- I shoot but don't move
15bps- I shoot but don't move
20bps- I shoot but don't move
25bps- I shoot but don't move
30bps- I shoot but don't move

I'm estimating that if I reach 35bps I'll shoot but not move.

**dahoeb** · 05-23-2006, 07:47 PM

no, i don't think rate of fire promotes movement.
i see a lot more movement in pump games than i do in tournies.

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