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[ABTOCMEPTb]

[Steelrat]

I told you that so you can stop annoy me with your constant trade offers for viking. And I repost sale post as soon as I got marker back from Tunaman. With a lot of extras and ofcourse with a bigger price. Programmer, barrel kit and warpfeed setup worth more than $250.

So...you lied to him?

[CoolHand]

Steel, cross shipping works fine, but I have never, not once had a business cross ship me something without me giving a CC number to them first, so they could charge me if I didn't ship back the incorrect item. A lot of places won't do it period.

I think the PB world is completely ate up with this mistaken notion that the customer is always right, and that every time a deal craps up, it's the seller who is shady.

If I have noticed anything over my years in this business, it is that PB players in general are about 30% more likely to screw you than other people I have dealt with. I have tried the whole "Oh, I'm so sorry, let me cross ship you a new item, you can return the other when it gets there using this prepaid UPS label I included." Yeah, that never worked. Every time I've tried it, I got to pay for two (2) new UPS labels, AND I sent another part, only to see none of it ever again. I cannot even recall how many times I got skinned, but it was quite enough to stop me from cross shipping anymore.

The seller paid up front, how is sending back the bad part and waiting for the new one any different that the situation he was in when the deal started? He can even get all of his money back, and just go someplace else entirely. I think the seller is being as fair as he can be, considering the climate we all deal in now a days.

I agree with the seller, in that I too would not issue a refund, or a replacement part until the incorrect item was returned. Now, that said, if it was my error, I may or may not pay for the shipping, mostly depending on the customer's attitude (Yes, you read that right. If you're a dick to me over an honest and simple mistake, don't expect me to go out of my way to assist you anymore, nuff said.)

You all can be mighty cavalier when it's someone else's money, but I'd wager the tune would be a good bit different if you were the guy everyone was leaning on to take the risk.

/Hope I don't get bant again for saying something people don't like.
//Oh well, the vacation was nice anyway.
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[Lohman446]

As sympathetic as I am to the problems this presents the seller you have to break this down a little.

Buyer and seller agreed upon a price for an agreed upon part

Buyer paid agreed upon price

Seller did not send agreed upon part

Who's in breech of the contract entered into for the sale (not all contracts are fancy documents)? Its not the buyer. Well I agree that the seeming lack of morals that is displayed so often in paintball is an issue, and I hate to say it... I am not the one who decided to enter into a business that depended on a customer base with a less than stellar track record.

As to "cavalier with someone elses money" I think one need just look at my track record on fixing problems caused with shipping on the trades I have done. Obviously not on a business level. However, I can assure you my business record of making things right is not far different on a business level.

Personally, at this point, if the seller was not being civil with me anymore, and because I can be a jerk, I'd send a certified letter of demand and then start the dispute process if I paid by credit card or paypal.

[hitech]

/Hope I don't get bant again for saying something people don't like.

Damn, when did YOU get banned?!?!?

[Steelrat]

Steel, cross shipping works fine, but I have never, not once had a business cross ship me something without me giving a CC number to them first, so they could charge me if I didn't ship back the incorrect item. A lot of places won't do it period.

I think the PB world is completely ate up with this mistaken notion that the customer is always right, and that every time a deal craps up, it's the seller who is shady.

If I have noticed anything over my years in this business, it is that PB players in general are about 30% more likely to screw you than other people I have dealt with. I have tried the whole "Oh, I'm so sorry, let me cross ship you a new item, you can return the other when it gets there using this prepaid UPS label I included." Yeah, that never worked. Every time I've tried it, I got to pay for two (2) new UPS labels, AND I sent another part, only to see none of it ever again. I cannot even recall how many times I got skinned, but it was quite enough to stop me from cross shipping anymore.

The seller paid up front, how is sending back the bad part and waiting for the new one any different that the situation he was in when the deal started? He can even get all of his money back, and just go someplace else entirely. I think the seller is being as fair as he can be, considering the climate we all deal in now a days.

I agree with the seller, in that I too would not issue a refund, or a replacement part until the incorrect item was returned. Now, that said, if it was my error, I may or may not pay for the shipping, mostly depending on the customer's attitude (Yes, you read that right. If you're a dick to me over an honest and simple mistake, don't expect me to go out of my way to assist you anymore, nuff said.)

You all can be mighty cavalier when it's someone else's money, but I'd wager the tune would be a good bit different if you were the guy everyone was leaning on to take the risk.

/Hope I don't get bant again for saying something people don't like.
//Oh well, the vacation was nice anyway.
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Like I said, I have had two retailers send me replacement items WITHOUT an CC#s or any other form of payment. Let me quote ABTOCMEPTb:

Not a single official business will exchange you an item unless you ship faulty/wrong item first. Period

Wrong.

And I don't know about you, but I will bust my hump to make the buyer happy. I know that you deal with FAR more people than I do, and you actually run a business, so that makes our cicumstances somewhat different.

[Steelrat]

yes I did.....Are you angry at me for that? Like I give a flying *foul word here* about what you think.

P.S. I did not have sex with this women.

I changed the color of the quoted text from white to red for you, so everyone can see what you typed. Next time, if you don't have the guts to put it in plain view, don't put it there at all.

Why anyone would defend your behavior is beyond me.

EDIT: I removed the wording he had in there. Just go and highlight his post if you want to see it.

[CoolHand]

Damn, when did YOU get banned?!?!?

When Army banned a dude for being a jackass in the Recruiters sponsor PB thread, he had to ban me too, because I had a post with stars in it. Rules say no cursing, and I was not enough to realize that I had (I curse like a sailor in real life, so it kinda carries over sometimes, I don't even realize it anymore).

But it's all good, if I gotta get banned so Army could deal with that dude, I got no problem with it at all.

[hitech]

...in the Recruiters sponsor PB thread...

Ah, that thread. I'm going to leave that one alone...

[CoolHand]

I changed the color of the quoted text from white to red for you, so everyone can see what you typed. Next time, if you don't have the guts to put it in plain view, don't put it there at all.

Why anyone would defend your behavior is beyond me.

lol

I totally missed the white text. That was rather childish of him.

How did you run across that? Do you just highlight stuff out of habit?

I also think you're right, in that things are different for a business. For some reason, people seem to feel justified in screwing a business, whereas they are a little less likely to do that same thing to an individual. I guess I've been on the business side for so long, I just don't see things the same way anymore.

[ABTOCMEPTb]

I changed the color of the quoted text from white to red for you, so everyone can see what you typed. Next time, if you don't have the guts to put it in plain view, don't put it there at all.

Why anyone would defend your behavior is beyond me.

EDIT: I removed the wording he had in there. Just go and highlight his post if you want to see it.

Do you really that stupid to think I posted something in hopes no one find it? here is biggest LOL ever special for you.

Because you gotta get it into your thinking box that people got different opinions in this world. That is why you are intitled to your opinion but its just that - your opinion. Makes no differense for other people.

If my attepts to fix this situation are nopt enoughto stop BS talk I am gonna post all kind of crap here just to pi$$ you off or to highlight my posts....

[MarkM]

Fix this via PM's when you are BOTH off of your bans. Had you been sensible you wouldn't be banned now.