Smoke Grenades

[Sniper1]

It's been a while since this topic has come up among friends but 99% of the Paintball feilds do not allowt pryotechnic/hot burning smoke devices due to fire hazerds.

So ive seen them used but can not locate them... Any idea where i can find NON Pyrotechnic Smoke Grenades or Cool Burning Smoke Grendades in the states?

[REDRT]

I'm not sure even then you would be allowed to use them. I might have an adverse effect on a player with asthma. When the smoke clears REDRT was gone

[ahellers]

i was wonder this aswell. does any one know of a smoke grenade that would not be a fire hazard in brush?
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[Sniper1]

ok well i found this after like a few hours of looking

http://www.evhill.com/products/White_Grenade.htm

this is a non pyrotechnic non burning powder based.

also it seems the only "cool burning" smoke is the orenge signal flairs from the coastguard and marine certafied boat flares SOLAS tyle, they are cool to the touch and have no visable flame. problem with these i have found no one who will sell and ship them aparently ever since 9/11 this is one of the other items that gayed up online sales bec of the paranoid fanatics... so these would have to be found localy.

[ahellers]

coast guard flairs... hmm ill have to go down stairs and ask the boatswains mates if they can give me some.
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[Chooie]

The field I ref at allows smoke *only* if the field owner feels there has been suffecient rain in the preceeding week to minimalize any hazard. Even then, we require players to tell us when they have them, when they want to use them, and where they are using them. About a month ago, it was really dry here in Virginia. So dry, in fact, that one of those orange floating coast guard approved smoke bombs actually *did* set a bunker on fire, about 15' outside of one of our major forts. By the time I got there from the staging area, we were looking at a fire approximately 4'x8'x15' high... under the tree canopy. Luckily, we had some full 55gal drums of water being used as markers in the fort... I don't want to think about what would have happened if those weren't there.

[ahellers]

you should ask for a raise.
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[Sniper1]

The field I ref at allows smoke *only* if the field owner feels there has been suffecient rain in the preceeding week to minimalize any hazard. Even then, we require players to tell us when they have them, when they want to use them, and where they are using them. About a month ago, it was really dry here in Virginia. So dry, in fact, that one of those orange floating coast guard approved smoke bombs actually *did* set a bunker on fire, about 15' outside of one of our major forts. By the time I got there from the staging area, we were looking at a fire approximately 4'x8'x15' high... under the tree canopy. Luckily, we had some full 55gal drums of water being used as markers in the fort... I don't want to think about what would have happened if those weren't there.

The floaters are not ment to be hand held the Cool burning SOLAS that are ment for handheld or ground use should be ok... SOLAS stands for Safety Of Life At Sea so do not mistake one SOLAS smoke device for another there are in fact more than one kind of SOLAS Smoke devices.

The water floating ones are designed to be cooled by the water hence why it would not be a good idea to have it on land even on freshly wet ground. they can reach in excess of 500*F and up

[Chooie]

We got hazard pay for that day :P

Sniper1: The player who used it hadn't run it by the field owner. Had he seen what type it was, he probably would have denied its use.

[Sniper1]

We got hazard pay for that day :P

Sniper1: The player who used it hadn't run it by the field owner. Had he seen what type it was, he probably would have denied its use.

Regardless of running it by the owner i think any one who would use a Hot burning pyrotechnic smoke device on some one else property is a idiot... I have a explosives licence and qualified to handle small charges such as squibs and i would not even dare kid around with anything thats hot burning...

I just dont get people and why they suffer from such human stupidity some times...

[RapidTransit]

I thought smoke grenades were illegal since they are technicly explosives

[Sniper1]

I thought smoke grenades were illegal since they are technicly explosives

There are different class smoke grenades. Also the local laws vary for instance unless you own a large amount of land you have to let the local fire department and police know when and where and be approved to use it so that someone does not call in they see smoke and send out the fire department.. Here is the kicker at that time being a false alarm they can in fact charge you for their misused time for coming out there believe it or not.

Some of the laws are a bit blurred but most of the problem laws pertain it being illegal to set off in public places that can cause a disturbance without a permit. But there are also different class smoke signaling/screen devices. Most of the ones Military and gov use are illegal. there are special explosive kinds that in fact do explode on a time delay that will toss 3 smaller shells in its landing radios that emit smoke to get a better spread. Items like that are definitely illegal..

But the ones i links are legal to use on private property like a paintball field and so would the SOLAS class markers be legal as well..

The major problem here is fire and burning hazards so far i still have not located a place to purchase cool burning or non pyrotechnic smoke nades such as the C02/powder based ones

[Sniper1]

[Sniper1]

In my search i just found this

The Light Grenade:

http://www.bartan.com/lg.htm

could be fun in a night game i could build these easily too and cheap.

Also on the top of my last post http://www.leedway.com/Chemical%20Agents.pdf

http://www.lcaction.com/ikorb.php?func=catalog&category_id=242

[Ydna]

I get my smoke from www.iheats.com. They burn orange smoke for nearly 3-4 minutes and can float on water. We bought a box of 16 of them a few years ago and have been using them ever since.

edit, I see they're now $11 each. Wow, when we bought them a few years back they were $7 each. I guess they're a lot more popular now (or more difficult to make).