Question on Buzzards

[Lohman446]

I was never greatly happy with the pump stroke on my Phantom - and I really have never liked the palmers triggers

That being said I am going to stay away from the buzzards, tempermental equipment and I often have drastic partings of the way, which often damages them.

[Zygote]

Like someone mentioned above, you could have Brad make you a phuzzard.

I have no experience with illusions or sterlings but I hear they're both decent enough guns also.

[Vircolac]

I don't think you want one....

but that is based on what you are saying, Lohmann.

I recently purchased my Buzzard.... I really like it, but like everyone says it can be a very tempermental marker. Buying it just based on the trigger would not be a good idea. Although I think it is smooth and very light, the style really feels like a trigger you'd want for unloading a LOT of paint. It reminds me of my blade trigger on the Intelliframe on my Micromag. In some ways, it just don't feel right on a stock class pump!

I look on my purchase of the Buzzard as a showcase piece, a "vanity" purchase in some respects. But I can do that now at my stage in paintball, and life.

Don't get it just for the trigger!

[Lohman446]

but that is based on what you are saying, Lohmann.

I recently purchased my Buzzard.... I really like it, but like everyone says it can be a very tempermental marker. Buying it just based on the trigger would not be a good idea. Although I think it is smooth and very light, the style really feels like a trigger you'd want for unloading a LOT of paint. It reminds me of my blade trigger on the Intelliframe on my Micromag. In some ways, it just don't feel right on a stock class pump!

I look on my purchase of the Buzzard as a showcase piece, a "vanity" purchase in some respects. But I can do that now at my stage in paintball, and life.

Don't get it just for the trigger!

Most everything I purchase in paintball is a vanity purchase . God I love the looks of that trigger. Its just that tempermental equipment and I - well yeh I have broken more than my share of equipment.

I thank you all for the advice, I'm thinking to consider other options for my pump. Maybe its waiting for the Grey Ghosts to come into production

[Vircolac]

And one more thing...

there is no safety device of any type on that frame. I think that is a major oversight.

[paintman1234]

yeah rob is getting intrested in pump!!

we should talk randy into letting us do a all pump team and play in d4 hehehe

btw: I would go with a buzzard so I can try it out or a sniper becasue I love mine, Isnt there a sniper with a ripper body on it around on the b/s/t forums?

[Lohman446]

Ok, thank you all for the help so far, and now the title is wrong.

The Buzzard option is out. You have all told me of its shortcomings and they are serious enough to concern me. A tempermental piece of equipment in my hands is going to get broken.

So now Im down to an Illussion or Phantom. Im likely going to go stock class though I may end up using CA as well. I had a phantom, nothing special, and did not really fall in love with it. That being said I could try again.

Illusion: I like the look of the Illussion pump better, it doesn't looke like anything any of my girlfriends have owned. Yeh, I'm vain. I am told it may be a far smoother pump stroke, which was one of my main complaints of the phantom. I assume getting it annoed would be doable.

Phantom: I like the overall look of the phantom. I guess I could get a dual pump rod conversion made for it for a smoother pump? WWA could make me exactly what I wanted for the $500 range (guessing from his sight)

Opinions would be nice

[senghing27]

Best of both worlds.... A Phuzzard...
Smoothness of a buzzard, yet weight and ease of a phantom.
$365 for a Base model from Brad Nestle... I can help you more on this when i get home from work...:P

[Zygote]

Coming at this from never having shot an illusion, or even seen one in person...

When I first got my new phantom the pump stroke was a bit rough. Over time it does break in and smooths out a lot and after using it a while you don't even notice. It may cost you a fraction of a bps while autotriggering, but if you're going with a stockfeed, the only time you're likely to be autotriggering is if you're bunkering someone (with your gun pointed slightly down so the balls actually load). I've heard an undercocking kit (Punisher makes them, as well as Brad Nestle) will smooth out your stroke but I can't really verify that. The phuzzard conversion should do that as well (Brad does that too). Some people think phantoms are too light and are hard to aim with because of that. I think they're too strong and should stop working out.

Illusions look to me (someone who has never been in the same room with one) like they're based on the sniper, which will already make it smoother than a phantom. On top of that they have an additional pump arm on the other side of the body which will only make it better. I don't think they have a return spring though, so you have to hold the pump forward or you will lose velocity from the bolt moving back when you shoot. You really should do that anyway but a lot of people coming over from semi play are already used to holding onto the inline reg/12 gram changer when they fire. The company that made the illusion is out of business now. I'm not sure what that means for parts availability or tech help but I do know that it is tough to find one of their angel threaded stock feeds. You may get lucky and find one for sale or you could have somone make one (probably Brad again). I would also guess that since its a sniper/sheridan design it would be less efficient on 12 grams, if that's important to you.

I guess you just have to determine what your priorities are
efficiency - phantom
pump stroke - illusion
rareness - illusion
support - phantom, if you call CCI you'll get the owner

[Lohman446]

How praytell would someone get hold of Brad? I might not get that answer until after I get back from Chicago, and I might pick up something there, but I am interested in this Phuzzard concept. What is it? Anyone have pictures or such?

[jsdatjsd]

How praytell would someone get hold of Brad? I might not get that answer until after I get back from Chicago, and I might pick up something there, but I am interested in this Phuzzard concept. What is it? Anyone have pictures or such?

http://www.bunkerboyz.com/phantom.htm

I tried looking for a phuzzard earlier when I saw it mentioned, and all I got was the website above.

[Zygote]

phuzzard: http://www.bunkerboyz.com/phog/showthread.php?t=2702

Brad has a forum at the phog: http://www.bunkerboyz.com/phog/forumdisplay.php?f=13

[senghing27]

Yup Brad does a lot of stuff. I got my pool ball from him...


You could always make a stockclassed sniper...


Whatever it would be, just make it worth it.

[phizz]

what about stock class mags since this is automags.org? Just a thought

[Lohman446]

what about stock class mags since this is automags.org? Just a thought

I once built a stock class mag - actually Tuna built it for me. ULE body to use Cocker threads. It was nice but the mag and CO2 never went well together.