What are you looking for in future advancements...

[txaggie08]

Honestly at this point, my interest is more in nice cosmetic upgrades and lower costs. The guns shoot plenty fast enough.


BTW, I have to say it, the shocker is the crappiest design for a marker ive ever seen in my life. Ive helped, or done myself,disassemble old shockers, mags, bushmasters, impulses, intimidators, angels, spyders and autocockers(maybe more, im not thinking of any right now). I sat down to help a friend lube an 04 yesterday. Why the hell would you design a gun that A. that difficult to get apart, yet has to be lubed regularly and B.is built one out of the cheap *** ultra thin crap metal(i realise aluminum is light but the bolt and guide just feel cheap) and call it "high end". SP knows better, i actualy am impressed with how the impulse is built quality wise. the old shockers were rocks if i remember right. I will never buy a newer shocker PERIOD.

[Lohman446]

Honestly at this point, my interest is more in nice cosmetic upgrades and lower costs. The guns shoot plenty fast enough.


BTW, I have to say it, the shocker is the crappiest design for a marker ive ever seen in my life. Ive helped, or done myself,disassemble old shockers, mags, bushmasters, impulses, intimidators, angels, spyders and autocockers(maybe more, im not thinking of any right now). I sat down to help a friend lube an 04 yesterday. Why the hell would you design a gun that A. that difficult to get apart, yet has to be lubed regularly and B.is built one out of the cheap *** ultra thin crap metal(i realise aluminum is light but the bolt and guide just feel cheap) and call it "high end". SP knows better, i actualy am impressed with how the impulse is built quality wise. the old shockers were rocks if i remember right. I will never buy a newer shocker PERIOD.

Unless you strip the hole how is a Shocker hard to get apart?

[Patron God of Pirates]

Improved Ergonomics

I want the trigger frame up front and the fore grip in the back at an angle like a Y-Frame (Y-Aft-Grip). No, I'm serrious! I also want the tank attached to the new aft grip instead of the trigger frame.

Watch how tourny paintball is played, no one even holds the grip frame. All the weight is born by the foregrip (while firing). This makes no sense becuase the majority of weight is situated towards the back and the heaviest item (tank) is attached to the grip frame.

It seems radical, but use your hands and imagine it (left hand on aft grip, right hand for walking). See, way more comfy. Niether wrist is ganked when playing tight (the way you should).

I may just make a whole post about this with a drawing.

[Pneumagger]

I don't know if it's been said, but how about hoppers that can feed up and beyond an actual on gun 40-50 bps? It would be inpressive and fun to see the best of the best wave their bps-penises around with equipment to support their superguns instead of just hearing a gun click 40 bps.

[Pneumagger]

I want the trigger frame up front and the fore grip in the back at an angle like a Y-Frame (Y-Aft-Grip). No, I'm serrious! I also want the tank attached to the new aft grip instead of the trigger frame.

Watch how tourny paintball is played, no one even holds the grip frame. All the weight is born by the foregrip (while firing). This makes no sense becuase the majority of weight is situated towards the back and the heaviest item (tank) is attached to the grip frame.

It seems radical, but use your hands and imagine it (left hand on aft grip, right hand for walking). See, way more comfy. Niether wrist is ganked when playing tight (the way you should).

I may just make a whole post about this with a drawing.

meh, I don't know. Typically you aim, steady, snap, and adjust with the front grip because of the leverage it gives you. putting a trigger on the front grip would ruin the ergonomics of the gun. you would have to do the aim adjustments with the back hand - unless you want to aim and pull ther trigger with the same hand simultaneoulsy...but as you stated no one really holds the frame when shooting anyhow...so now you're pretty much just stuck with adjusting the aim with the back hand using an inferior leverage point.

I think that would be like swinging a baseball bat crosshanded or something - just plain unamerican

[Patron God of Pirates]

meh, I don't know. Typically you aim, steady, snap, and adjust with the front grip because of the leverage it gives you. putting a trigger on the front grip would ruin the ergonomics of the gun. you would have to do the aim adjustments with the back hand - unless you want to aim and pull ther trigger with the same hand simultaneoulsy...but as you stated no one really holds the frame when shooting anyhow...so now you're pretty much just stuck with adjusting the aim with the back hand using an inferior leverage point.

I think that would be like swinging a baseball bat crosshanded or something - just plain unamerican

Aim, Steady, and Snap would all be easier without "gank-wrist". The leverage point does not change beacuse the weight distribution (tank on rear grip) is still the same. You would still be rotating around the heaviest point. Only here the weight is more comfortable to bear, and the more coordinated hand is doing the aiming. Without the need for the aiming hand to also bear the weight of the marker, aim could easily be adjusted with an open palm (rotate left) or extended thumb (rotate right). It would also be easier to hold steady while shooting.

Add to that, switching the grips would also seem to require the marker to be electro or PNUEMATIC in order to off set the firing mechanisim. Good for you, no?

[Lohman446]

Most the weight is held by my arm adn the tank.

[Patron God of Pirates]

Most the weight is held by my arm adn the tank.

This is just my point. People have adjusted to play the game very succesfully, but all you need to do is look at a gank-wristed speedballer to know that the design is hardly form following function. You shouldn't need to shoulder/hug/tuck your marker in order to comfotably bear the weight.

All of this is, of course, IMHO

[Lohman446]

This is just my point. People have adjusted to play the game very succesfully, but all you need to do is look at a gank-wristed speedballer to know that the design is hardly form following function. You shouldn't need to shoulder/hug/tuck your marker in order to comfotably bear the weight.

All of this is, of course, IMHO

Cradling the tank is functional, keeping my elbow in just cradles the tank. Could be wrong but it seems natural enough

[Pneumagger]

I run remote alot. 1 tank and 2-4 pods on the pack means I can shoot one handed with a ULE mag and an apache if need be.

[Tim Taylor]

Bluetooth or some other wireless connectivity on fields would be great. It could be set up in such a way that they would fire only when the field sends the 'Game-On' code to the gun. When a player is eliminated their gun would be shut off. This would greatly help in safety on and off the field.

The code would also set the guns to the field limits based on player preferences. It would also be possible to set up handicaps for more advanced players vs novice players. Limiting firing rates based on player level might be interesting.

Number of shots taken, BPS, etc. could all be calculated.

Yes, Bluetooth can be hacked but guns can be altered to go beyond the rules so a cheater will always be.

[Patron God of Pirates]

Cradling the tank is functional, keeping my elbow in just cradles the tank. Could be wrong but it seems natural enough

While I'm being radical, the tank should be turned around so it is toataly out of the way. :)

I run remote alot. 1 tank and 2-4 pods on the pack means I can shoot one handed with a ULE mag and an apache if need be.

Here is idea that is under used and frowned apon for no good reason. Take it a step further. Run your remote through your pack belt to a 360 swivel in front of you and then to the marker. This way you can switch hands and play tight without worying about the air line...


:) I got a million of these

[paint magnet]

This is just my point. People have adjusted to play the game very succesfully, but all you need to do is look at a gank-wristed speedballer to know that the design is hardly form following function. You shouldn't need to shoulder/hug/tuck your marker in order to comfotably bear the weight.

All of this is, of course, IMHO

I doubt it would take off. Look at the times ergonomics have been tried before - the Z grip, WDP Space frame, Y grip and numerous copies thereof--all were great ideas and worked great, but for some reason they just didn't sell. Making a great product doesn't always guarantee it will catch on.

[Patron God of Pirates]

I doubt it would take off. Look at the times ergonomics have been tried before - the Z grip, WDP Space frame, Y grip and numerous copies thereof--all were great ideas and worked great, but for some reason they just didn't sell. Making a great product doesn't always guarantee it will catch on.

That is the crux of the matter. It's all about marketing after all. But then Rouge did start this thread on AO, one of the few consumer bases that seems to prefer merit over hype.

[NewbieMagMan10988]

i Think we need reball like projectiles that are not only reuseable, but leave a mark of some sort. This way you have all the benifits of reball, with less cheating.

I think we all know its easy to cheat in reball. Thats my big complait abuot it.



Newer feilds would be nice, differnt kinds of bunkers/layouts.


Who knows...

Mike