What is tournament paintball AKA my PBN rant

[Lohman446]

This question is inspired by rants I see on PBN. What has paintball, tournament paintball, degenerated into? Someone tell me its more than just who can cheat the best and whine the most when they lose?


Yeh, I was proud of me...

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1669177

[hitech]

The thing that bothers me most is that it has gotten worse instead of better (in the last 20 years). I thought the speed ball format would make wiping harder...

[SCpoloRicker]

Call me cynical, but I really think the percentage of players who actively play in tournaments is much smaller than is represented online. Here in Nor-Cal, which is supposedly one of the hotter spots, its not like there are tons of tournies being held.

/have not played tournament in this century

[dahoeb]

Call me cynical, but I really think the percentage of players who actively play in tournaments is much smaller than is represented online. Here in Nor-Cal, which is supposedly one of the hotter spots, its not like there are tons of tournies being held.

/have not played tournament in this century

true true

[StygShore]

styles of play

Basically yes... Tournament ball has become who cheats better -

There are fully produced videos of games where you can see the top named players get hit on breaks, and come up "clean" after their sloppy slides into the bunkers to make sure they slide on that spot they got hit. If it aint obvious/ref didn't see it, they don't call it. how many times have you seen tournament players call "Out" put a gun up and walk off without a ref pulling their armband first?

Manufacturers blatantly advertise their products to promote more bounces - jerseys, gloves, masks, pants, hats, beanies, pads ( I seen people where less padding playing football in high school than some of these kids do )

Go look at the tournament forums on PBN - People brag about how well they cheated, or who cheats better than someone else. In the same breath they will brag/complain that someone only beat them because they cheated?

These guys that can't turn that "style" or mentality off and come out to the rec fields and walk on games ruin it for everyone who wants to play for fun and plays fair. - how many fields can you think of that you have heard - " Oh don't go there, their house team cheats and wipes all the time... " Or something similar when you ask about a field?


Can I play like these "tourney" players? Hell yes - but ya know what? I aint afraid to walk off the field and wait 10 minutes for the next game to start - Heck I relish that time to tell war stories and talk with the other players who took the hits and walked off the field.


My .02 to add to your rant

Styg

[Lohman446]

The thing is, the person whining most, I know. Rasta - whatever his name is, Austin cheats as well as anyone there. This basically same ref staff does a "great job" as long as he wins... if he doesn't they suck. The overshooting rule modification is in direct response to the last tournament I played there rather than reffing when one of his players put more than two dozen between me and the ref in my bunker after I was out, signalling myself out, and the ref calling me out.

[SlartyBartFast]

I think the most telling thing is that not one of the whiners can ever quote the rulebook.

Memorising the rules should be the first criteria for entry...

It's the same as the dweebs who cry about speeding tickets. After they finally stop whining about the unfairness of it all, how they were being persecuted, how cops are pigs, how cops can't do their jobs, they finally settle back on the universal argument of the ingraned creater/liar: "The rules aren't applied consistently."

Of course they never then argue for universal application of the rules...

You cheated, you got caught. Live with the concequences and STFU.

[Lohman446]

I think the most telling thing is that not one of the whiners can ever quote the rulebook.

Memorising the rules should be the first criteria for entry...

Not necessarily memorizing, but at least knowing. To have someone say "no tournament series" when, umm obviously at least one does is idiocy. I agree, if you are going to whine about the rules, you should at least know them.

[SlartyBartFast]

Not necessarily memorizing, but at least knowing. To have someone say "no tournament series" when, umm obviously at least one does is idiocy. I agree, if you are going to whine about the rules, you should at least know them.

But then again, it would be easier if the refs knew a few of the basic rules themselves.

There are enough ways to give penalties for arguing with a ref to seriously affect the outcome of a tournament for anyone who complains too loudly.

By some of the rules books, tournament series could revoke awards after videos showing cheating come out as that could be construed as maligning the reputation of the series.


But as long as the industry owns the teams, the series, the media, and the equipment. Think anything will change?

[hitech]

But as long as the industry owns the teams, the series, the media, and the equipment. Think anything will change?

And that is the bottom line...

[mr. right-wing]

I think we should just load our hoppers up with Pepperballs and see who can whipe those