The reality of a pneumag

[Shirow]

So, I've been reading all these pneumag threads with great interest - I have a classic valve and some other bits and pieces laying around and I could probably get one of these put together rather cheaply.

I've seen the DW hAIR video and some of the homebrew DIY videos and the whole theory of it sounds really cool, and I'd love to be able to whip out a 'sleeper' mech gun with a hidden LPR in the frame and start rocking out 15bps against people with electros but...

Is this really realistic? I've seen the 'good' videos and I've seen the 'good' pictures but is this really a situation where you need some pretty intense knowledge of the whole thing to get to a worthwhile point? I mean, I can already rip on my retromag to a degree and while I can't really push the kind of speed in some of these vids, is it realistic to think every pneumag shoots like this?

I can't find too many stories of 'I did this conversion and it's not really as great as I thought it was going to be' so I'm just looking for some objective stories or advice.

[Pneumagger]

If you use the right pneumatics and set it up right it will work right. If you use some of the older style 3 ways, It will still be quick, but not like your talking.

About the only way your getting hidden everything is in a vert frame or super hacked up Intelli.

[Shirow]

So it would be far superior to a bouncing (mostly legally) retro valve then?

The way my retro is set up right now, it kicks pretty hard.. sometimes I get an unintentional double bounce, but it's pretty rare (so it's generally just kicking back pretty hard.)

I can shoot pretty fast (relative term I suppose) but if I had to guess, I'd say it's not more than, I don't know, 7-8bps at the most over a sustained period. I know there are videos of pneumags at 15bps but there are videos of retro valves at 30bps so I've learned that most peoples reality doesn't always reflect YouTube.

[RRfireblade]

With renters using ramping Ions at 15- 17bps , what good's a 'sleeper' gonna do anyone ?

[Shirow]

With renters using ramping Ions at 15- 17bps , what good's a 'sleeper' gonna do anyone ?

So that when people say 'omg what's that, a mag, did you start playing in 1983' I can put 15 paintballs in their face in 1 second I guess. I mostly plays woodsball anyway so I wouldn't bother using it there, but sometimes I feel like schlepping down to a nearby indoor speedball field and it'd be fun to see peoples faces

[Pneumagger]

So that when people say 'omg what's that, a mag, did you start playing in 1983' I can put 15 paintballs in their face in 1 second I guess.

Let me tell you something...If I ask you when you started playing and you whip out your gun proceeding to shoot me in the face 15 times in one second...I would beat your *** and stick the pneumag so far up your butt you'd be expelling paintballs from your anus for weeks.

Pneumags are fun to shoot beause they're mech and they're mags to boot. Nobody should Build a quality pneumag in hopes that it will outperform a similar priced Electro. It might shoot as fast in semi...but that's about it.

(My pneumag cost me mroe to build than my xmod emag cost me to buy)
Yes I like it more than the emag... but when I know the vietcong are on the way, I reach for the Emag everytime. Unless I'm gonna snipe 'em, then I break out a cocker cause it shoot's further

[Shirow]

Let me tell you something...If I ask you when you started playing and you whip out your gun proceeding to shoot me in the face 15 times in one second...I would beat your *** and stick the pneumag so far up your butt you'd be expelling paintballs from your anus for weeks.

Pneumags are fun to shoot beause they're mech and they're mags to boot. Nobody should Build a quality pneumag in hopes that it will outperform a similar priced Electro. It might shoot as fast in semi...but that's about it.

(My pneumag cost me mroe to build than my xmod emag cost me to buy)
Yes I like it more than the emag... but when I know the vietcong are on the way, I reach for the Emag everytime. Unless I'm gonna snipe 'em, then I break out a cocker cause it shoot's further

Well if I'm going to have anything in my *** I'd rather it was a mag than a cocker... if you know what I mean.

Obviously I didn't literally mean I want to walk up to 14 year olds and shoot them in the face.. that would be a little ridiculous. What I would like to do is show up to a field, have people mock mag then proceed to shoot 15bps at them with aforementioned mag.

Maybe it wouldn't really make a difference but I just would like to see the look on their face.

You must've bought a lot of ancillary stuff for a pneumag to cost more than an xmag though..

[slateman]

I think I understand what Shirow is asking here. I too am thinking about a pneumag and I too am wondering what exactly it takes to make this "15bps wondermag"

Oh and a Xmoded Emag isn't an Xmag. Its an Emag with a software upgrade to allow different shooting modes, ramping, buffer, dwell, ect.

[jenarelJAM]

I too am interested in what it takes(in a nutshell) to make a pneumag. I've always been incredibly interested, but not sure if I want to shell out the cash. How many man hours, and what kinds of tools do you need to build one?

[Pneumagger]

the pneumag I made cost in the neighborhood of $600 for parts alone, not including the anodizing, or time to make it. End price was about $700 for the marker alone. It took me awhile to accumulate all the parts and I spread the cost over a few months. My xmod Emag cost me $350 + an ION.

You could make one of these so called "supermags" for the cost of a classic intelliframed mag and $50 in pneumatics. You'd better be running HPA through an RT on/off Classic valve though.So say, $200 worth of parts if you have a nitro tank already. You can use co2, but freezes up real fast.

Look at the stainless pneumag next to my emag in this picture...

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/picture069oe9.jpg

It probably costs $200-$250 for that base marker + pneumatics. It woul be about $200 to complete if it had a classic valve in it though. It belongs to Lohman466. Then look at legumeofterror's pneumag on the far left, it uses a paradigm pro marker of a base $450 + pneumatics. It all depends on what you have in your base marker.

I also have a partial pneumag that uses an older style 3way just lying around that only needs a valve and hoses and it's ready to roll. PM me for pics if you want. I can always upgrade the pneumatis to the so called "supermag" internals.

[Shirow]

I think I understand what Shirow is asking here. I too am thinking about a pneumag and I too am wondering what exactly it takes to make this "15bps wondermag"

Oh and a Xmoded Emag isn't an Xmag. Its an Emag with a software upgrade to allow different shooting modes, ramping, buffer, dwell, ect.

Yeah, I know.. misread the post :)

[Shirow]

the pneumag I made cost in the neighborhood of $600 for parts alone, not including the anodizing, or time to make it. End price was about $700 for the marker alone. It took me awhile to accumulate all the parts and I spread the cost over a few months. My xmod Emag cost me $350 + an ION.

You could make one of these so called "supermags" for the cost of a classic intelliframed mag and $50 in pneumatics. You'd better be running HPA through an RT on/off Classic valve though.So say, $200 worth of parts if you have a nitro tank already. You can use co2, but freezes up real fast.

Look at the stainless pneumag next to my emag in this picture...

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/picture069oe9.jpg

It probably costs $200-$250 for that base marker + pneumatics. It woul be about $200 to complete if it had a classic valve in it though. It belongs to Lohman466. Then look at legumeofterror's pneumag on the far left, it uses a paradigm pro marker of a base $450 + pneumatics. It all depends on what you have in your base marker.

I also have a partial pneumag that uses an older style 3way just lying around that only needs a valve and hoses and it's ready to roll. PM me for pics if you want. I can always upgrade the pneumatis to the so called "supermag" internals.

Well, I do have a classic valve just kicking around my basement... nice pic man. I guess I'll finish working on my old school rt-minimag-warpfed-thing and then think about a pneumag.. I still need to get a nice body and rail and stuff for my existing setup so I guess I'll see where that takes me.