New hater chip makes cheating much more convienent!

[slade]

no, I think this board detects a slower pull and purposefully incrases the debounce for these slower pulls so it will pass a "slow pull test".

you're giving them too much credit.

[rkjunior303]

you're giving them too much credit.

agreed.

a high AMB is a good way to high mechanical bounce at a slow rate of fire, like during a bounce check, but it leaves the possiblity of taking off with bounce later on. My borg could run DB1 with the AMB at 5... You'd never know it was DB1 until you got on it then it was insane...

[Pneumagger]

someone's gonna ruin it all, and then trhey're gonna pass either semi only legislation or a legal BPS limit.

As paintball grows, it cant hide in the shadows when someone does something stupid. It only takes one liberal to point out that these are getting unsafe...and all they need is a reason to ban them.

And the worst part is... People will still have cheater boards if that happened

Edit: I would exploit that ABS system so bad if I had it.

[Lenny]

As paintball grows, it cant hide in the shadows when someone does something stupid. It only takes one liberal to point out that these are getting unsafe...and all they need is a reason to ban them.

And the worst part is... People will still have cheater boards if that happened

^Agreed.

I don't understand the need to shoot that fast. I have hit 18bps (according to a chrono) once on semi, but can sustain 13-15bps without much difficult. I only shoot semi. I have never once played a game on any other mode than semi (ok, once, with f/a when I had my Spyder, but I was given the ok), and I have never felt outshot, or slow, or like I need to fire more than that.

I mean, yeah it's cool to show off at the range with, or scare the newbs, but I don't see why it's so attractive.

[CKY_Alliance]

^Agreed.

I don't understand the need to shoot that fast. I have hit 18bps (according to a chrono) once on semi, but can sustain 13-15bps without much difficult. I only shoot semi. I have never once played a game on any other mode than semi (ok, once, with f/a when I had my Spyder, but I was given the ok), and I have never felt outshot, or slow, or like I need to fire more than that.

I mean, yeah it's cool to show off at the range with, or scare the newbs, but I don't see why it's so attractive.

Its so "atractive" to a lot of people bc most series allow it...so they shoot it in the series and when practicing...thats one of the reasons they make ramping chips..because theres a market! The need is there so you can keep up with your competition. I can pull 15-16 consistantly, in semi w/no bounce, left and right handed but since the series i play allows ramping i choose to use it..if i didnt then the other players would have an advantage over me..yes im pulling just as fast but they are doing it with a lot less consentration..so you can somewhat free your mind to other aspects of the game (not that pulling a trigger takes to much thinking or effort)

** notice i am not talking about "cheater" modes specifically, im speaking of ramping of all forms in general..mostly in regards to lenny's post.**

[Jackel411]

The guys that own hater paintball are a bunch of good guys belive it or not... Hell if it wasnt for them half of Lucky Paintball inventory wouldnt exist.

But.. its not just hater that has a mode like that...

Um.. let me think.. break out mode.. hmmm... Predator has it , Tadao has it , GASP! even virture has it....

So if you want to point blame at the sorry state of the game now.. it isnt just at Hater.. Its every one.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

You make it sound like this is the first example of such modes.

It is part of the sport. Yes, it is not exactly the....most suitable mode of legal fire, but it is here. We can try to fight it. But as long as the consumer's wallet has the cash, the product will be there.

/cynical mindset
//yeah, i am always cynical

[jenarelJAM]

Um.. let me think.. break out mode.. hmmm... Predator has it , Tadao has it , GASP! even virture has it....

As far as I know... my tadao does Not have breakout mode... its for a viking though, if that makes a difference...

[mobsterboy]

how many ppl actually read the manual? It clearly states things like "fast ramping, after 151st shot, will be legal"

[Triangle]

[mobsterboy]

permanent ban is used to ban out bad forum members for forum specifications
/just sayin...derek

[Triangle]

permanent ban is used to ban out bad forum members for forum specifications
/just sayin...derek

And If Banned, I'll just reregister.
So what?
It's amazing how clever you think you are, when you're really just the opposite.

[MoeMag]

Am I reading it right... max ROF at 20bps...

Why bother.

[Triangle]

Am I reading it right... max ROF at 20bps...

Why bother.

Because the the player population that can sustain a ROF higher than 20 is Slim to nil.

[Drizit]

Its so "atractive" to a lot of people bc most series allow it...so they shoot it in the series

Have you read the NPPL rules? There is NO ramping allowed take it from an NPPL ref.

And If Banned, I'll just reregister.
So what?
It's amazing how clever you think you are, when you're really just the opposite.

Thank you for making his point. Yes there is a lockout on the gun, however it's not even close to realistic for a ref to be checking it before every time a team hits the field, During 7 man half the time it's all you can do just to get them chronied in before the next game is ready to start.

Because the the player population that can sustain a ROF higher than 20 is Slim to nil.

That all depends I can keep 20bps going all day with enough assistance from the board, and that's just what you are getting, think back to the old angel LCD (I know i'm dating myself now) for most people it was all they could do to keep it consitatly over 13 or 14bps (i'm not talking about the one time you pulled faster for 2 balls, I'm talking constantly) now a friend of mine has an LCD angel with a preditor board, I used if for a day just for kicks, with one finger and without trying I was keeping it at about 20bps (that's what it was set to ramp to) On that gun it was blatent what was going on but with a board with custom codes... well you tell me.