Viking Animation

[rkjunior303]

what happens when an oring needs replaced? I imagine this needs done once or twice a season.

2-3 drops of oil before a day of play and they'll pretty much last forever... nice thing is, they're all the same o-rings, too. U015's..

[Pneumagger]

but orings don't last forever...I can see the noids and parts lasting awhile...but the orings?

isn't U015 a tank oring? I wonder if I could put quadrings in one and eek out even more speed

[rkjunior303]

but orings don't last forever...I can see the noids and parts lasting awhile...but the orings?

isn't U015 a tank oring? I wonder if I could put quadrings in one and eek out even more speed

They'll already do 30+ BPS.. they don't need to be faster... They're also built to such tight tolerances, that's pretty much all they need.

[Pneumagger]

---> I just don't want to buy one and not be able to fix it in a month when something invariably leaks (LPR, sidewinder, something else) Even mags are considered indestructable and need orings one/two times a year...but I refuse to believe a majority of Vikings can last more than a year without tuning, tinkering, or orings.
This is why I really want to see a diagram or animation.

they don't need to be faster....

shens.

[rkjunior303]

---> I just don't want to buy one and not be able to fix it in a month when something invariably leaks (LPR, sidewinder, something else) Even mags are considered indestructable and need orings one/two times a year...but I refuse to believe a majority of Vikings can last more than a year without tuning, tinkering, or orings.
This is why I really want to see a diagram or animation.


shens.

if it leaks, it's a Urethane 015 o-ring.. the SCM and RAM aren't meant to be taken apart anyways.. THey'll swap the entire cartridge.

[Pneumagger]

if it leaks, it's a Urethane 015 o-ring.. the SCM and RAM aren't meant to be taken apart anyways.. THey'll swap the entire cartridge.

having all the same orings is great for user maintenence...if the user could actually take the gun apart. I just know that I'm going to end up making my own tools to dissassemble it.

[rkjunior303]

honestly, they're tanks... if you do need to change one, it won't be common.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

If you do not disassemble any of the cartridges, you should not have to replace any o-rings. I have one frind who has had his Excalibur since 2001. He has never replaced a single o-ring in the marker. He has replaced the Sidewinder Reg core, but that is about it. Remember, most of the o-rings are static, non moving. Other than age, there is nothing that will really degrade them other than the incorrect oil.

You do not need a special tool to disassemble the Viking. All you need is two small Alenn's or a fine tipped needle nose plier. Hell, I have seen people use bent forks to remove the caps and cartridges.

And no, you will not be able to make them faster. Other than an RT Mag at 2500 PSI, nothing has beaten it in speed. The Cyborg is close, if not equal, and a Spyder is a possible candidate, but no proof has even been given.

[Pneumagger]

Other than an RT Mag at 2500 PSI, nothing has beaten it in speed

Pneumag @ 900psi >> http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...t=100_1562.flv

[shorty24]

Pneumag @ 900psi >> http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...t=100_1562.flv

holy...flocking...WOW.

[650HP]

I've had a few Vikings and Excals and lots of Mags. The worst thing that went wrong was a Viking ram shaft began showing signs of wear and had a stiction problem that would cause very light FSDO. I replaced the orings in the ram but it still didn't seem to shoot as well as when I first received it. Aside from that I've never had any trouble. The local store had sold 30 of them to local players and not one ever failed. Granted most of the players had sold them 2 years down the line. It's too bad the Evil M never saw production though a person can just get a Cyborg if they wanted something similar.

[CoolHand]

what happens when an oring needs replaced? I imagine this needs done once or twice a season.

Nope, you really don't need to replace orings in a Viking. The thing is, that none of the orings in a Vik are dynamic seals, save one in the ram cartridge, one in the LPR, and one in the Sidewinder. Those three rings will wear out eventually, but we're talking many years and hundreds of cases of paint if you take care of them.

AKA LMP started as a high precision machine shop, and THEN started making paintball markers. They machined the parts with finishes that don't eat the orings if properly lubed, and they closed the tolerances up tight enough that you can use light synthetic air tool oil instead of goopy Dow 33 or 55.

This means you basically never have to take the marker apart unless something goes very wrong. The catch is, you need to be very good with them to take them apart and not damage the orings and such. THAT is why you need special tools that cost money, to keep most folks from doing it and causing themselves grief.

No one wants you all to know this, but orings go to hell in spoolers and other PB applications, because the designers are using them to do things they aren't designed to do. Buna rings are not made to seal interrupted dynamic bores (ala spoolers), they're too soft and easy to tear. Also, the finish of the machine work is sorely lacking in a great many markers now adays. Shockers and DM14's wouldn't eat orings like they do if the manufacturers would chamfer the damned holes like they are supposed to, make the glands the right size and shape, and use the correct materials and hardnesses for the orings in the first place.

Instead, they open up tolerances to speed production and decrease cost, they skip operations that improve the longevity of the seals to save costs and speed production, and they don't pay any attention to using a seal like it was designed to be used. AND, on top of that, they profit from selling oring kits to boot, so they're not going to stop doing what they're doing, hell it's a win/win for them.

SP did try to use the correct oring materials on the Shockers, but their fit and finish is still sub-par for a trouble free operation. Don't even get me started on DYE and Proto.

[Pneumagger]

oring gland design really isn't that hard...especially with capital to test with. Do these big companies even have engineers in their design teams? Or are the choices all monetary based?

This is why I like AGD. Great design and engineering, good follow through on concepts and design, and quality raw materials. AKA sounds like it will be a good move for me (even though it will take infinate restraint not to take it apart )

[CoolHand]

oring gland design really isn't that hard...especially with capital to test with. Do these big companies even have engineers in their design teams? Or are the choices all monetary based?

This is why I like AGD. Great design and engineering, good follow through on concepts and design, and quality raw materials. AKA sounds like it will be a good move for me (even though it will take infinate restraint not to take it apart )

The glands aren't usually the problem (though in a few cases, they aren't that great), it's mostly the poor preparation of the ports that dynamic rings cross in spoolers. Too sharp and you cut notches into the ring when it cycles. Give it a few thousand cycles and you get a crappy seal and it leaks.

[rkjunior303]

So i think it's safe to say..

AKA FTW!