CO2......and a Viking ?

[punkncat]

I have not and probably will not do this, but I was curious.

I see in some information that a viking will run off CO2 "with the proper setup". What would that setup be?

I have a remote line, and a bottomline maxflo that I am almost tempted to put together and see what comes of it at slow fire rates. CO2 bottles are so much lighter and smaller for remote applications. Its going to be in the 60's saturday....

[warbeak2099]

Well, double regging it with Palmers Stabs would probably be good. That and running remote with one of those little TEEC inline x-chambers. Just gotta make sure you don't blow the noid. You could also replace the remote with an anti-siphon line in the tank. Keep the 2x stabs and the mini x-chamber. Yea that seems like it'd be neat lol. Sacreligious, but neat.

EDIT:
X-chamber I'm talking about-->

http://www.doropaintball.com/ab1038101equick/shopexd.asp?id=8889

Dooblay EDIT:
Oooh, cheaper here-->

http://xtremez.com/paintball/product_information.asp?number=XCCF&variation=AA&aitem=&mitem=&back=yes&dept=132

[trevorjk]

waits patiently for pic of a palmer? (or was it a cocker) with 5 expansion chambers

[11 Bravo]

I dont know if freezing a noid will kill it, but its something to worry about. New Viking noids are $100.00 -I just had to buy one.

[Marroonblooded]

Hey warbeak, I have questions for you sir...

Have you used that x chamber?
Is it any better than a regular expansion chamber?
Don't like the looks too much, but for 15 bucks, it may be worth a try...

[Pneumagger]

freezing noids doesn't kill them. Freezing C02 gas @ 200 psi that expands to 300+ psi as it warms up blows the noid

Honestly... for the price of the correct setup you could purchase a nice little 47/3000 HP tank and still get around 900+ shots if my math is correct.

68 in^3 x 4500 psi = 306000 lbin
306000 lbin / 2000 shots = 153 lbin/shot
48 in^3 x 3000 psi / 153 lbin/shot = 941 shots

[punkncat]

Well I think its going to work.....

I am using a 20oz CO2 vertically in a pack with a Maxflo reg right on top. I hooked a remote line to the reg and into the gas thru stock, then feeding into the Sidewinder. So long as I don't turn the tank down and flood the Maxflo with liquid I should be fine. Liquid CO2 (theoretically) can't exist at the pressure I am using straight off the tank by way of the reg.

This setup is much lighter and easier to carry with my Camelbak and 6+ pack. With the CO2 I should be able to stay on (scenario/woods) field for much longer periods of time. Usually I come off only when I am out of air or paint.

[Dulie]

Here's a similar setup on a VM...just an x-chamber and a reg



Another one, a cocker with dual regs

[CoolHand]

Well I think its going to work.....

I am using a 20oz CO2 vertically in a pack with a Maxflo reg right on top. I hooked a remote line to the reg and into the gas thru stock, then feeding into the Sidewinder. So long as I don't turn the tank down and flood the Maxflo with liquid I should be fine. Liquid CO2 (theoretically) can't exist at the pressure I am using straight off the tank by way of the reg.

This setup is much lighter and easier to carry with my Camelbak and 6+ pack. With the CO2 I should be able to stay on (scenario/woods) field for much longer periods of time. Usually I come off only when I am out of air or paint.

Yup, that'll work just fine.

I've run my Vikings on just an anti-syphon CO2 bottle several times with no issues.

I would suggest that you use a filter of some sort either on your fill station or on the remote line to catch any crap that might be inside the bottle or the bulk cylinder.

[warbeak2099]

Hey warbeak, I have questions for you sir...

Have you used that x chamber?
Is it any better than a regular expansion chamber?
Don't like the looks too much, but for 15 bucks, it may be worth a try...

Never used it but it seems like it would be quite handy since it's so small and you can put it just about anywhere. It could go between the tank and the ASA, between the VA ad the reg, between the ASA and the remote, between the tank and remote, etc.

[Shane-O-Mac]

Expansion chambers wont work well at the pressures we're talking about. Running a tank straight into a X-chamber would work fine for blowbacks and the pumps, but when you have to drop the pressure it hinders flow. Using the set-up you described should work very well. While I am not a huge fan of the Max-Leak regs, they do work well for Co2. But a Palmers reg works better......

Just make sure your first reg is set below 600psi, then feed that into your sidewinder. I generaly run my bottomline stab at 550psi. Co2 cannot stay liquid below 600psi, so it isnt a problem. And getting liquid into a 'Noid, isnt as damaging as everyone will lead you to believe. Its dirty Co2 that hurts it more. Most 'noids have an over pressure relief built in so they dont easily blow. Not sure if Viking noids do or not.

Coolhand, do you know if they do?

With the right set-up, you can run most guns off Co2. Havent tried a spooler yet though....... On a cool day, 70* or lower, you should try and keep your rate of fire down around 12-13bps, and short 5-6 ball strings, or you could have some starvation issues, as the co2 cant boil off quick enough, to keep a good recharge pressure going.

Shane-O

[CoolHand]

The MACs don't for sure.

I don't know about Humphrey valves though.

That pilot section may have a pop-off in it. I'd have to look at a scematic to make sure.

Their data sheets don't list them as having overpressure relief though.

Usually they just leak past the spool seals and equalize.

I know that's what a MAC will do, no harm no foul. Overpressuring is not too bad if you don't do it very often.

I'd worry more about a Humphrey valve's pilot section than anything else. Many tiny seals in there that may not tolerate the overpressure like the spool will.

If you set the regs up right, you won't have to worry about it.

[buzzboy]

I had a palmer fatty on my BKO and ran co2 with no ex chamber and no antisiphon. It never got liquid. Shot like a charm.
But I have a better way to stop the liquid. (glad I found this on my old comp)

With a reg setup like this I bet no liquid would come through with a SIPHON co2 tank.

[etjoyride]

Good God, if i owned that I WOULD BE GOD!!!

that is truly insane.