I edited this for names and such...my experiance at a scenario this weekend. I left early.
There were several issues that went on at this game that seriously have me considering attending a game at DELETED again. Actually to the point of recommending against doing so to anyone I know.
During one point of the game, myself with a team member and several other players who were unknown to us advanced on a hot position and drove back a group of resistance. During the onsuing battle for that position ( locale 17 as i understand) we piled up behind the earth berm that is right next to the pvc canopy. The action was intense. Many players were quickly coming and going. The opposing team made a push and were able to overtake our position. One player topped the berm pointing at a teammate of mine yelling "take the hit"(surrender). I fired on and hit him, and proceeded to shoot two more of his teammates before the 4th player shot me and my teammate (who had chosen to surrender) several times. He was about 30 feet from us and made me and my teammate bleed. Him all the way through 2 layers of clothing.
After we called out and walked a few feet out of the way I turned and asked the ref to chrono the person who had shot us. He told us to go back to our base and explain the situation there. I questioned this and mentioned that he, the player, and a chrono could be here now to deal with the situation. He again told me to return to my base and handle it there. I did mention it and a call went out to chrono all players at area 17. As we well know the offending player could easily have been far away by that time. I was asked if I could identify the player, which could have happened on the spot , but not later.
Later in the day I was coming back into a game, went to my base to be re-inserted. We had a few minutes before reopening and a large group of players had collected around the base waiting to be reinserted. During this time the opposing team had made a push across the field and was surrounding the base in large numbers. We were standing around the base waiting for reinsertion while the other team is builing up and camping on our reinsertion point. We started taking balls a good 30+ seconds before we were even live again. Referees were calling us out as hit and we weren't even back in the game. So when the time did come, instantly we were rained on like fish in a barrel. The other team had built up to the point that we had no chance. Soon they assaulted all the way to the base and I was faced with another surrender situation. One player wrapped the corner and was yelling surrender on a group of 10+ players. I shot his hopper and he came around the builing yelling at me that I was supposed to surrender. I will come back to that subject. We worked out the argument between ourselves. It was a high adrenaline moment and thngs like that are bound to happen.
This surrender rule needs to be either one way or the other. You can't suggest that someone surrender and expect not to get lit up. Especially when its one asking 10. As your rules outline you can ask for surrender, but can still be shot. Of the two times that I was asked to surrender it WAS within 10-15 feet. There were well more than two people involved. BOTH times there was confrontation afterward about why I didn't surrender. The ref referred to earlier dealt with that player, overlooking the bigger safety issue of a hot marker, to tell us to return to base. The second time I got two markers pointed at my head from 3 feet away.
Aside from all other issues, your rules allow for me to refuse surrender. With that understanding how can someone be pissed when they ask for a surrender and get eliminated for it?
To the point and the reason for the previous backstory. EVERY venue I have ever played allowed for hot insertion, OR made rules concerning camping on a reinsertion point. IIRC and something that DELETED should be able to back up, the DELETED got in trouble in years past for camping on reinsertion. I figure that that experiance alone would have had some affect on the consideration of making a rule of procedure for this.
I didn't pay to play a game at your venue to be shot to hell and back within 3 feet of my reinsertion point. I went in and waited the allotted time to be put back in the game, get eliminated right away, but I am supposed to wait another 15 mins and have it happen again? The other team never even left the area.
Making suggestions about surrender policy thats one thing. It is important, but that coupled with this incidence of camping on the insertion almost led to me getting shot in the face by two players at point blank range. There is no reason whatsoever that should not allow me a reasonable chance to safely reinsert into the game. I payed to play the game, give me the chance.
I would appreciate a response on this matter, and to know what if anything will be done to resolve this problem in the future.
During one point of the game, myself with a team member and several other players who were unknown to us advanced on a hot position and drove back a group of resistance. During the onsuing battle for that position ( locale 17 as i understand) we piled up behind the earth berm that is right next to the pvc canopy. The action was intense. Many players were quickly coming and going. The opposing team made a push and were able to overtake our position. One player topped the berm pointing at a teammate of mine yelling "take the hit"(surrender). I fired on and hit him, and proceeded to shoot two more of his teammates before the 4th player shot me and my teammate (who had chosen to surrender) several times. He was about 30 feet from us and made me and my teammate bleed. Him all the way through 2 layers of clothing.
After we called out and walked a few feet out of the way I turned and asked the ref to chrono the person who had shot us. He told us to go back to our base and explain the situation there. I questioned this and mentioned that he, the player, and a chrono could be here now to deal with the situation. He again told me to return to my base and handle it there. I did mention it and a call went out to chrono all players at area 17. As we well know the offending player could easily have been far away by that time. I was asked if I could identify the player, which could have happened on the spot , but not later.
Later in the day I was coming back into a game, went to my base to be re-inserted. We had a few minutes before reopening and a large group of players had collected around the base waiting to be reinserted. During this time the opposing team had made a push across the field and was surrounding the base in large numbers. We were standing around the base waiting for reinsertion while the other team is builing up and camping on our reinsertion point. We started taking balls a good 30+ seconds before we were even live again. Referees were calling us out as hit and we weren't even back in the game. So when the time did come, instantly we were rained on like fish in a barrel. The other team had built up to the point that we had no chance. Soon they assaulted all the way to the base and I was faced with another surrender situation. One player wrapped the corner and was yelling surrender on a group of 10+ players. I shot his hopper and he came around the builing yelling at me that I was supposed to surrender. I will come back to that subject. We worked out the argument between ourselves. It was a high adrenaline moment and thngs like that are bound to happen.
This surrender rule needs to be either one way or the other. You can't suggest that someone surrender and expect not to get lit up. Especially when its one asking 10. As your rules outline you can ask for surrender, but can still be shot. Of the two times that I was asked to surrender it WAS within 10-15 feet. There were well more than two people involved. BOTH times there was confrontation afterward about why I didn't surrender. The ref referred to earlier dealt with that player, overlooking the bigger safety issue of a hot marker, to tell us to return to base. The second time I got two markers pointed at my head from 3 feet away.
Aside from all other issues, your rules allow for me to refuse surrender. With that understanding how can someone be pissed when they ask for a surrender and get eliminated for it?
To the point and the reason for the previous backstory. EVERY venue I have ever played allowed for hot insertion, OR made rules concerning camping on a reinsertion point. IIRC and something that DELETED should be able to back up, the DELETED got in trouble in years past for camping on reinsertion. I figure that that experiance alone would have had some affect on the consideration of making a rule of procedure for this.
I didn't pay to play a game at your venue to be shot to hell and back within 3 feet of my reinsertion point. I went in and waited the allotted time to be put back in the game, get eliminated right away, but I am supposed to wait another 15 mins and have it happen again? The other team never even left the area.
Making suggestions about surrender policy thats one thing. It is important, but that coupled with this incidence of camping on the insertion almost led to me getting shot in the face by two players at point blank range. There is no reason whatsoever that should not allow me a reasonable chance to safely reinsert into the game. I payed to play the game, give me the chance.
I would appreciate a response on this matter, and to know what if anything will be done to resolve this problem in the future.
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