unbiased poll

[FARMER00]

ok so i know this is the automag forum but i want an unbiased opinion for this
what is better/faster on semi and better quality i dont care about any of that ramping stuff i just want to know about stock semi, and quality

Smart Parts ION VS. Kingman (spyder) VS2

i know ur all gonna say get a mag but i already have one so i dont want any of that in this thread please thanks

[CKY_Alliance]

Are the Vs2's even out yet? Why not a rail or Mini, even a fusion? There are many "mid" end(price) guns out there.



But i will tell you now, the ion will be better, mainly because of it wont be near as loud as the spyder and will have less kick.

Most liklley...i havnt even seen the Vs2 in person.

[grEnAlEins]

I voted ion because of it's track record. I do not like them over any of my guns, but they are neat little markers, and they shoot paintballs. They are quick enough and seem to be reliable.

Why not a rail or Mini, even a fusion?

That is prolly your best be though... go for one of those, I would.

[mag_lover05]

Are the Vs2's even out yet? Why not a rail or Mini, even a fusion? There are many "mid" end(price) guns out there.



But i will tell you now, the ion will be better, mainly because of it wont be near as loud as the spyder and will have less kick.

Most liklley...i havnt even seen the Vs2 in person.

the spyder vs2's operate at the same pressure as the ion. so it wouldnt have any more kick and wouldnt be any louder.

[FARMER00]

well im just wondering because they are the only good electric for about 200. 250 in canada and teh pmr and mini and epiphany are all 460 in canada so i wonderend what was better of the even cheaper guns

[paint magnet]

Ions are very common and whatever kid who just had a birthday will have the latest Spyder (VR2), so go to your field and shoot them both before you decide. Also, get to know the differences in the internal workings of each gun. If you don't understand how it works, you'll probably want something simpler so you can maintain and troubleshoot it.

[grEnAlEins]

the spyder vs2's operate at the same pressure as the ion. so it wouldnt have any more kick and wouldnt be any louder.

doesn't kick have more to do with reciprocating mass though

[MoeMag]

[CKY_Alliance]

the spyder vs2's operate at the same pressure as the ion. so it wouldnt have any more kick and wouldnt be any louder.

Timmies operate at a much lower pressure then a matrix, but the matrix has almost no kick while the timmy can (not always) feel like a shotgun...

[__Phoenix__]

the4 new spyders have the balanced poppets... so it's likely they'll kick alot less and be softer on paint.
As far as pur speed, the blowback will always win if you can get it the air.
The VS2 has no track record as of yet, so this goes to the ION.

Shoot both pick one. IONs are more customizeable from a performance standpoint... keep that in mind.

[d4m4don3]

I've shot the vs2 and the ion. The vs2 still feels like you're shooting a blowback gun. Granted it doesn't have the kick a normal kingman marker would have. If the Ion is all you can get then by all means. It's better than going with kingman, and the first marker I owned was a spyder. =)

[jenarelJAM]

the spyder vs2's operate at the same pressure as the ion. so it wouldnt have any more kick and wouldnt be any louder.

Mags operate at 800+ psi. Way, way more than the low pressure standards of today. Guess what. When I take my mag to the field, I get loads of comments on how quiet it is. More quiet than an Ion imo.
I don't have much experience with different markers and kick, but really, I don't understand why kick is such a big deal. I could see if it was messing up your trigger walking, or was making the balls fly all over the place, but pretty much everything these days has so little recoil that imo it's negligible.

[hs2000]

The Spyder will always have more kick because of that huge hammer that slams into the valve.

As much as I hated my Ion, I going to have to vote for it.

[punkncat]

The new Spyder is operating at a MUCH lower pressure than those of the past. That in itself should deal with most of the velocity issues common to the predecessors. Keeping liquid CO2 out of the marker has now become a bigger issue though.....

Spyders are super simple to work on and maintain. There is no real upgrade path beyond most of what has already been done. Maybe a good barrel?

The Ion speaks for itself in this price range. If you get one you can spend yourself into having had enough to buy a better marker from the get go....

[buzzboy]

A spyder will always be just that...a spyder. It is just a regular old stacked tube blow back. So what if its LP. There is no possibility that a blow back can shoot over a certain BPS(something like high teens). Even though nobody would be shooting that on an ion anyways it is nice to know about because if two shots right next to each other are very close that will simulate a higher bps and possibly uncock the gun. An ion wouldn't do that.

Also the Ion is smaller, lighter and will have way more upgrades for it.