unbiased poll

[FARMER00]

ok now to bring mags into play. would you recomend adding the 20bps hyperframe for like $200used somewhere or just buying an ion. i dont have money to buy a x or emag lowers so dont say it please

[punkncat]

A spyder will always be just that...a spyder. It is just a regular old stacked tube blow back. So what if its LP. There is no possibility that a blow back can shoot over a certain BPS(something like high teens). Even though nobody would be shooting that on an ion anyways it is nice to know about because if two shots right next to each other are very close that will simulate a higher bps and possibly uncock the gun. An ion wouldn't do that.

Also the Ion is smaller, lighter and will have way more upgrades for it.

This goes back to a long standing debate about what blow backs are actually capable of. Regardless of where you stand on the issue, a Spyder is capable of shooting at ROF WELL above "legal" standard, and actually well into the range of todays fast loaders.

Lets not forget the mechanical reliablity of a sear tripper. There are very few parts to break, or maintain. Emags are sear trippers......

[punkncat]

ok now to bring mags into play. would you recomend adding the 20bps hyperframe for like $200used somewhere or just buying an ion. i dont have money to buy a x or emag lowers so dont say it please

I would not mess with a Hyperframe any longer, unless you had planned on putting a morlock/etc inside it. They are aging and most by now are WELL used.

Might consider just looking into an RT/Xvalve and an adjustable air source. That will offer the speed you are looking for, although its legality in a tournament is questionable....

[don miguel]

kingman has great quality. my spyder never had any problems! unlike my mag . spyders are great, ions are a little bit more cpmlicated internally (banjoes, board, spooler) but are manageable. spyders are user friendly .

[Triangle]

kingman has great quality. my spyder never had any problems! unlike my mag . spyders are great, ions are a little bit more cpmlicated internally (banjoes, board, spooler) but are manageable. spyders are user friendly .

So long as you maintain and keep whatever marker you own clean, the problems it'll give you will be minimal.


I'd say go for the ION. You're open to bigger path to upgrade it, than you would have if you shot a spyder.

I'm an ION fan, I'm a Spyder fan, I like them both.

Have you gone into a shop to hold/shoot either of them side by side?

True Semi: Both will fire as fast as you pull the trigger. Any marker with an electronic trigger switch will do this.

[FARMER00]

Have you gone into a shop to hold/shoot either of them side by side?

True Semi: Both will fire as fast as you pull the trigger. Any marker with an electronic trigger switch will do this.

i havent held or used the VS2 but i have played with an ion and i thought of it very very cheap feeling like it would break in my hands

and for the semi question i understand it will shoot as fast as i pull the trigger but what has a small trigger pull

[don miguel]

i havent held or used the VS2 but i have played with an ion and i thought of it very very cheap feeling like it would break in my hands

and for the semi question i understand it will shoot as fast as i pull the trigger but what has a small trigger pull

farmer: true, they both have single triggers (not rocking) so they semi rof should be similar.

triangle: ions are upgradeable, but stock they aren't so great. the eyes do not see dark paint (that's a fact), and the barell, and feedneck are out there. the eyes are upgradeable and should be upgraded. the stock vs2 comes with more features. the eyes are similar to ion (not glowing break beam), but i have shot an electra w/ eyes and it didn't chop black paint (same eyes for both markers) but i could have been lucky. also the vs2 comes w/ a clamping feedneck, nice eye covers, forward sloped trigger (preference), on/ off, and deleron bolt. the barell should be upgraded. i prefer the vs2.

[Warwitch]

the spyder vs2's operate at the same pressure as the ion. so it wouldnt have any more kick and wouldnt be any louder.

your forgetting all the other factors like reciprocating mass, porting, barrel lenght etc.

I also would go with the Ion betweent the two choices though. But I cant bring myself to buy anything from SP. They are industry bullies

[$tevo]

i would take the vs2, i never shot either but im not a huge SP fan, and i like timmies.

[glickstue]

Timmies operate at a much lower pressure then a matrix, but the matrix has almost no kick while the timmy can (not always) feel like a shotgun...

You've been misinformed, the average timmy runs 80 psi for the the ram and somewhere around 300 psi for the popit valve while a matrix runs around 60 psi for the bolt and 130 ish for the spool. Timmy's are the classic example of the high pressure low dwell system while a matrix is the inverse, hence they're tenancy to be gas hogs.

[punkncat]

You've been misinformed, the average timmy runs 80 psi for the the ram and somewhere around 300 psi for the popit valve while a matrix runs around 60 psi for the bolt and 130 ish for the spool. Timmy's are the classic example of the high pressure low dwell system while a matrix is the inverse, hence they're tenancy to be gas hogs.

Your numbers for the trix are bit low, but the theory is correct.

[grEnAlEins]

i would take the vs2, i never shot either but im not a huge SP fan, and i like timmies.

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[CKY_Alliance]

You've been misinformed, the average timmy runs 80 psi for the the ram and somewhere around 300 psi for the popit valve while a matrix runs around 60 psi for the bolt and 130 ish for the spool. Timmy's are the classic example of the high pressure low dwell system while a matrix is the inverse, hence they're tenancy to be gas hogs.

I thought the Gen4's run at about 1/2 that? Even so i was just reffering to the 80 psi..that the gauge reads, that's the only PSI any timmy owner refers too, that i know, and i am not all that knowledgeable about them. Other words i thought 80 was the PSI everything ran at..



How does the poppit run at 300 PSI when there is usually around 80 going into the vertical reg?

[grEnAlEins]

I thought the Gen4's run at about 1/2 that? Even so i was just reffering to the 80 psi..that the gauge reads, that's the only PSI any timmy owner refers too, that i know, and i am not all that knowledgeable about them. Other words i thought 80 was the PSI everything ran at..



How does the poppit run at 300 PSI when there is usually around 80 going into the vertical reg?

80 is the lpr pressure that the ram runs on. there is still ~280 or 300 psi through the valve that get channeled through the bolt to make the ball go from what I understand.

[minimag03]

ions are upgradeable, but stock they aren't so great. the eyes do not see dark paint (that's a fact), and the barell, and feedneck are out there.

How can the Ion's eyes not see dark paint when they are break beam? Since when has any Kingman barrel been better than any Smart Parts barrel? And I wasn't impressed with the Vs2's feedneck at all. I'd rather have the stock Ion's with o-rings. Just out of curiosity, do you ever stop posting and actually play paintball?