Bad Anno jobs

[StygShore]

Orly?

hmmm doesnt look like CCM has a problem with em?




Heck, that red is almost exact and the gloss is perfect, guess I should have just orderred it from CCM that way


Styg

also to add.

going home...the reason some of those parts couldve turned out a different hue of blue is because of the different series of aluminum used for the parts. I think DW may use 6061, which shouldve matched any other 6061 ran for the same amount of time and the same batch of dye used for the coloring. But....the feedneck and triggers and things of the like can be from a differenct series of aluminum. I know my CCM one is made from 3000 series which doesnt turn the same color as say 6061. I made the anodizer (gruntbull) aware of that, and he got it to match perfectly. They even stripped a type 3 ano part (sidewinder swivel and bottom nut) and reanodized w/ no probs at all.

STygshore.....the milky white spots, bare aluminum showing on the edges are probably the only bad things I would consider. That is a CCM feedneck which is 3000 series aluminum, which is why it looks brown and not red like the body.....6061.

The more I see bad ano jobs, the more I am glad I went w/ gruntbull.

[Xmagterror]

The reason why your karta body dosent match is because all the sluggo bodies AGD put out the door were made from 7075 aluminum because they need the strength. the rest of the automag is made from 6061. For the most part if you do everything black it wont really show because it soaks in really good. black dye is about 5 times the cost of all the other colors...because it works so well.

[thefool]

nay its more expensive simply becasue it is harder to manufacture a good black. same with fourecent pink. The chemical makeup of the dye is different

[coreyander]

hmmm doesnt look like CCM has a problem with em?




Heck, that red is almost exact and the gloss is perfect, guess I should have just orderred it from CCM that way


Styg

thats not the point. Most anodizers can match the color if they know ahead of time about what series they are dealing iwith. The anodizer didnt know the body was different than the feedneck, therefore, they ran it in the same manner. It didnt turn out right. I was made aware of this at the time I sent my viking in. Before ano, it was red, as was my body, and it didnt match. The CCM neck was a darker red than the body.

If anyone is planning on anodizing, I suggest trying to find out what series different parts may be. Make the anodizer aware of it. They will try to get the closest match as possible.

That xmag still looks great though styg. I think its minor. Contact the anodizer and ask if he will rerun it to match and get a quote. They may do it cheap since its a correction.

[Chaos_Theory!]

Barrels - The dull non glossy finish on the inside of barrels after re anodizing is VERY common. Some anodizers use plugs to retain the stock inner finish on barrels.

CCM Feednecks - Ive been told by multiple anodizers that at least the clamp rings are very hard to anodize and come out a borwn color a lot of the time (if they were originally black).

[SR_matt]

^^ when i sent my stuff in to get anoed rainman told me it didnt matter what color the stuff was originaly casue it was jsut gona get all striped out any way, my feedneck ring came back a slightly more olive color than the rest of my limegreen ano but its not really noticible.

its gota be the alloy which was probably chosen because it has a better springyness to it

-matt

[StygShore]

anno

The anodizer DID know the aluminum series type. I did the legwork ahead of time because I knew anodizers have had problems with matching AGD colors accross bodies, rails, frames etc - He still tried to run them all in one batch - hence I believe the initial problem with the anodize failing ( though now they claim it never failed and they redid it for me "out of the kindness of their hearts" )

The feedneck ring was pretty close red the first time but had a gouge in it, second time it came back brown, and it was raw when they first received it.

The anodizer feels the gun looks great and rather than do any more work has said they are done with me.


Styg

thats not the point. Most anodizers can match the color if they know ahead of time about what series they are dealing iwith. The anodizer didnt know the body was different than the feedneck, therefore, they ran it in the same manner. It didnt turn out right. I was made aware of this at the time I sent my viking in. Before ano, it was red, as was my body, and it didnt match. The CCM neck was a darker red than the body.

If anyone is planning on anodizing, I suggest trying to find out what series different parts may be. Make the anodizer aware of it. They will try to get the closest match as possible.

That xmag still looks great though styg. I think its minor. Contact the anodizer and ask if he will rerun it to match and get a quote. They may do it cheap since its a correction.

[gruntbull]

Hey guys, interesting thread.

We have done some we are not proud of too, usually we catch them and they go out right, recently we had a Green gun go out... The marker didn't leave the shop in the hodgepodge mess it was, but of course the customer got to us and asked about the reason it had issues. This was part of a few factors in ano and after, but of course we offer to do it all again, or upgrade his ano work at no cost.

We told him to send it back, as always we stand behind something we do. If it is something we controlled, and did wrong we take it back and make it right, if it isn't something we can do, we offer to do their marker in a more expensive ano theme at no expense to them. Some opt to do it, some don't.

The fact that all jobs are never the same leads to a lot of the issues I feel personally, on the professional side, I would like to say we can run anything, but there are things that just were never meant to be done, and sadly you don't find out till after you do them.

I think the thing is you want to ensure if you give someone money to do something that it is done how you want, we can't make everyone happy, but we are willing to try.

Also there are some things a finisher can not change. Some pits are there finish work, material issues that can not be resolved by just finishing. To be honest the more different alloys you have in a marker the more difficult it becomes, as now you have to test ano layers to ensure everything comes out as it should, and even then sometimes issues happen.

Slight color variations is not something I view as bad ano, especially with different parts (Dye had different aluminum (same alloy) from 05 to 06, I did my DM5 with a UL frame and a New barrel) well the old 05 parts came out one color, the 06 parts a lighter color (slight but still visable) all pieces went in together, and all had the same dye time. but it still happens.)

There is more to cost than 5 dollars, my line setup while continually growing costs a good amount. Shop rent, electricity, WATER, phone, ect all cost, and unless you do other things out of your shop (we dont currently) it adds up big. The EPA certification, permits, and environment controls cost, Heaters now those things cost, we are still looking for the final answer to heat, as the commercial heaters are rather expensive, and the "basic" ones pop if you look at them with disgust. I think a true Overhead on a job is somewhere in the 27-35% rate until you have become established with the equipment you care to keep a hold of. Then it will drop down, the main cost I would say is SKILLED labor. Anyone can pull a part out of a tank, it takes someone with know how to figure out the setups, the graphics, placement of the cut graphic (remember Custom work means by hand work here), and so on. All while trying to make the cost low so people can afford it. We did 55 and are thinking of going back (not sure if we can with the overhead we have now) but we want to ensure we make what we need to continue, grow, and realize a little from the fruit of the labor, but yet make CHEAP and QUALITY able to be said in the same sentence again.

But even with all that, the best thing about being an anodizer, is when you post a pic on the website and can say, we did that.

-Bull

[Lohman446]

Whoever did work for GADevil on the Devilmags did very very good work from my experience. Alas I don't know who it was though.

Keep in mind also this was me giving them a rough idea of what I wanted. I think my comment was "think fire and brimstone" I mean it was a Devimag, so my expectations were not as precise as some peoples are.

[SR_matt]

i got a job done a few months aago, payed like 80 bucks for my mag (body, rail, uni mount cage, 3 barrel tips, rip drive handle, trigger, feed neck ring) i got it back un under 2 weeks. it had a few blemishes but it was becasue the metal was rough when i sent it in (rain man did smooth it out for me but some places were very hard to smooth out perfectly for the ano to take perfectly). so i have a few blemishes but hey 80 bucks for like 10 pieces and sub 2 week turn around im satisfied.

ano is to protect the metal and just happens to be able to add a flare of color its not an air brush job that is just there to look pretty, its supposed to be functional as well.

-matt

[Swampy]

After seeing this thread kind made wonder about sending My Bro's mag (FireFighter Mag) away to get Anno'd. So I searched locally for a small time/side project shop (i.e. powder coater's, auto shops), but with no luck.

Plus I don't half the grades of material used in its construction. It's got a Benchmark frame with trigger, a Unknown Velocity Knob. a Shocktech foregrip, air fittings.

But hearing nothing but good things come out of Gruntball I decided to go with them to finish the project (which IMO half the work for prep to anno, finding someone trustworthy.) I'm going to end up sending them my work from now on sometime after the holiday's

[Pneumagger]

After seeing this thread kind made wonder about sending My Bro's mag (FireFighter Mag) away to get Anno'd. So I searched locally for a small time/side project shop (i.e. powder coater's, auto shops), but with no luck.

Plus I don't half the grades of material used in its construction. It's got a Benchmark frame with trigger, a Unknown Velocity Knob. a Shocktech foregrip, air fittings.

But hearing nothing but good things come out of Gruntball I decided to go with them to finish the project (which IMO half the work for prep to anno, finding someone trustworthy.) I'm going to end up sending them my work from now on sometime after the holiday's

Gruntbull - all the way. Best pricing out there. Sweet turnaround times. Honest and always easy to get ahold of quickly.

[thefool]

After seeing this thread kind made wonder about sending My Bro's mag (FireFighter Mag) away to get Anno'd. So I searched locally for a small time/side project shop (i.e. powder coater's, auto shops), but with no luck.

Plus I don't half the grades of material used in its construction. It's got a Benchmark frame with trigger, a Unknown Velocity Knob. a Shocktech foregrip, air fittings.

But hearing nothing but good things come out of Gruntball I decided to go with them to finish the project (which IMO half the work for prep to anno, finding someone trustworthy.) I'm going to end up sending them my work from now on sometime after the holiday's

you should worry about sending your stuff away for anno. most anno places that you know of generally produce good work. Defects are bound to happen to any anodizer and its how a place deals with those defects that dictates the quality of the place.

From what i've seen gruntbull and acid have very good quality and customer service. I wouldnt hesitate to use eitehr of them.

I also do a little anno on the side, you can pm or email any annodizer for a quote.