Saying HEELO! (newbie to automags)

[SAMURAI "PREDATOR"]

hello all,
im new to automags and are looking for one, as well as a good place to start and a friend directed me here....
Also ive bowsed here a few time and found this spot pretty informative, so if you all dont mind, i might ask stupid questions about automags until i understand them better! So be pacient with me...thanks!

[Indignant]

hai sup

[Triangle]

Good Luck, and welcome to AO.

[Nick E]

Halo Thar!

[bentothejam1n]

just be sure to use the search feature and dont make too many dumb posts like don miguel. also if you do get flamed do not take it personally just try to make better posts
welcome to AO

[wjr]

So be pacient with me...thanks!

Of course we'll be pacient!

[SAMURAI "PREDATOR"]

Thansk fellas...much appriecated!

Ok first question?..LOL
Are the classic RT a really good gun?... i normally use a tippmann 98C ACT, cyclone, E-grip, anda 12/14/16 j&j ceramic barrel..... it shoots fast and is pretty acurate, but i was told that a automag is even better!

Is this true, and what automag is better? sorry for being lazy, but ive heard so many things it aint funny! And if someone woldnt mind how do they rank?
like from a classic to a tac one?

Plus what am i in for SPENDING wise to have a nice scenario marker? Im the lead man %98 percent of the time..... so percison and consisenticy is a must! THANKS in ADVANCE!

[Triangle]

Thansk fellas...much appriecated!

Ok first question?..LOL
Are the classic RT a really good gun?... i normally use a tippmann 98C ACT, cyclone, E-grip, anda 12/14/16 j&j ceramic barrel..... it shoots fast and is pretty acurate, but i was told that a automag is even better!

Is this true, and what automag is better? sorry for being lazy, but ive heard so many things it aint funny! And if someone woldnt mind how do they rank?
like from a classic to a tac one?

Plus what am i in for SPENDING wise to have a nice scenario marker? Im the lead man %98 percent of the time..... so percison and consisenticy is a must! THANKS in ADVANCE!

The common shooter on this board it probably going to give you the basic rundown on how mags ranks, when compared to each other.

An Xmag is going to be 'better' than an Emag, But only because of the small number of Xmags.

An Emag (ULE or non) is for to be 'better' than a Mech mag.

A RT-Pro (ULE or non) is going to be 'better' than a classic valved mag.

There are so many variations on each marker, save for the Xmag that alot of mags are going to be different, and have different classifications.

All in all, you're going to be encouraged to find ULE (read: lighter, aluminum parts) to build your mag. They'll be a little higher in price, but overall worth it in the end if saving weight is important to you.

All automags are going to shoot one ball per trigger pull, unless you've got your trigger setup to illegally bounce.
The only difference in valves, is that the Classic valve has no noticeable return on the sear, like the RT/Xvalves do, and that the Xvalve is simply an aluminum RT valve.

A lot of people are going to tell you to go for an Xvalve is weight is a problem for you, but because you're opting for a scenario marker, I'd say to just grab a used classic valve, which can be had in the BST forum for well under $100usd.

if you bought everything piece by piece, and took your time in finding each part, you could build yourself a pretty nice mag relatively cheap. What kind of mag you want, is completely up to you.

Also, are you running HPA, or CO2? It isn't suggest that you run Co2 into anything but a classic valve, and even then, a classic valve would take much better to HPA than it would to Co2.

As for accuracy, as long as you keep your barrel clean, dry and devoid of debris you should be as accurate as anyone else, excluding wind, elevation blah blah blah.

I'm into custom products barrels, so I can recommend those to you.
I've never had a problem with their products, as they're all quality made.
Other people may not have had as good results as I have, and may reccomend barrel kits, or other barrels to you.

If you're still opting to build a scenario mag, I would suggest a tippmann over a mag, but only because the market for aftermarket Scenario-oriented parts is gigantic compared to the automag.

[Triangle]

I forgot to mention that the Lvl 10 Kit, which is a mechanical anti-chop bolt comes stock on the Xvalves. While it doesn't come standard on the other valves, you can install it on them.
It'll take some time tuning it if you've never done it before, but there are resources in the Tech forum that will make it easier.

I for one use a force-fed hopper, so I ditched my lvl10 in favor of a lvl 7 bolt. But that's just me.


As for upgrades, I mentioned some ULE parts.

This includes the ULE body, which is threaded for autococker barrels, and angel feed necks.
This is an EXCELLENT choice if you've got the money.

For the scenario guy, you can buy the Tac one body, (as I'm sure you've already seen) Which has the Picatinny/RIS rails on it, allowing you to add a small number of scenario oriented accessories.
It too is threaded for 'cocker barrels, and angel feed necks.

There are a small number of people that produce mods and parts for your autmag.

This includes and is not limited to (as I may forget a few)

Logic Paintball
Luke's Customs
Rogue Products
And any other few small names I can't think of at the moment.

Both Logic and Rogue have 90* frames, and are similar in size and feel. The only big difference is preference.

Luke Makes some pretty sweet little things for the mag, like off-set Warpfeed mounts, alterations to stainless steel bodies for your warpfeed, among other things, like spydermag mods.

There's also a fellow on the boards that goes by Pneumagger, and as far as I know he's done with doing pneumatic assist installs for other users, but I'm sure for the right price he'll build you a nice little P-frame lickitysplit. You'd have to ask him yourself.

A P-frame of course is any frame with a pneumatically assisted trigger. This will make for the shortest, and lightest pull you're going to get out of the electro-scene. What parts you use, and how you set it up determines your results. There are also a few threads in the Tech and Workshop forums addressing Pframes.

[SAMURAI "PREDATOR"]

AWESOME THANKS! (T),,,thastw as a considereable help!

as far as scenario goes i dont want a look a like....i have one of thsoe! lol its a replica .50 caliber Browning machine gun i made, plus i madea .30 caliber as well.... anda Klaskinkov Pk machine gun as well.

im just looking for a really reliable gun that great in function and productivity!

Now yous adi a RT can be modded to bounce...is thsi safe and easy to do or will this just cause more problems then its worth? I like one shot per trigger pull, but i also like the option of laying down some serious cover fire as well. ive modded my tippman to shot like a ION! But i can still just squeeze off one shot at a time as well.......if need be!

Curious is a RT on a automag like the RT on a Tippmann 98 or A-5? Thanks! I dont really want to get into anything electronic...... we play in all types of weather, but mainly rain! Due to our curse...lol

[Army]

I Officially welcome you to the AO family

[SAMURAI "PREDATOR"]

Wanting to say THANKS again for all the helpful information...you are the MAN! Thanks..

[Triangle]

AWESOME THANKS! (T),,,thastw as a considereable help!

as far as scenario goes i dont want a look a like....i have one of thsoe! lol its a replica .50 caliber Browning machine gun i made, plus i madea .30 caliber as well.... anda Klaskinkov Pk machine gun as well.

im just looking for a really reliable gun that great in function and productivity!

Now yous adi a RT can be modded to bounce...is thsi safe and easy to do or will this just cause more problems then its worth? I like one shot per trigger pull, but i also like the option of laying down some serious cover fire as well. ive modded my tippman to shot like a ION! But i can still just squeeze off one shot at a time as well.......if need be!

Curious is a RT on a automag like the RT on a Tippmann 98 or A-5? Thanks! I dont really want to get into anything electronic...... we play in all types of weather, but mainly rain! Due to our curse...lol

Very cool on your replica's.

Your mag will be as realiable as you allow it to be. If you keep it clean, and lubed up, it should shoot just fine everytime you pull it out. There have been user posted reports of pulling out dirty, dirty, dirty mags that hadn't seen use in months or even years, and still shooting just fine.

The RT/Xvalves aren't modded per se, you just up the input pressure into them. people like the infamous Zak Vetter (Zman here on AO, but he's long since gone MIA) have safely put over 1000psi into a valve, and had it bounce. I don't suggest this, as it could put more wear on your sear than you want or need. I also dont suggest it as your field operator may deem it illegal, and what good is a marker you're not allowed to shoot?

I should also note that when your rate of fire increases significantly, your valve will heat up, and raise your velocity. no one wants to play with someone shooting hot.

The biggest difference between the RT on a tippy, and on a mag is that you can change the RT effect on the A5/98(c) on the fly, with the set screw found on the body of your marker.

[Triangle]

If you want to give yourself a lighter (but not shorter) trigger pull, you can look into grabbing a ULT kit for your valve.
This kit will NOT work in the older Classic RT valves, because of Oring differences where the on/off is placed.

By adding or removing shims to your kit, you can adjust the weight and overall reactivity to your trigger. If you mess this up, you can easily set it up to shoot full auto, and I don't suggest that either. The best thing about the kit is that it simply drops in, and is easy enough to setup.

Some people find it difficult to set it up with working with a Lvl10, but others havent.
The more things you put into your marker, the more there is to go wrong when improperly setting it up.

[SAMURAI "PREDATOR"]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.... youve been so helpful!