Opinions

[Samurai-joker]

ok, first off i know that i am going to get teased, flamed, or what ever you want to call it. But, i must ask. This is an opinion post, so let's hear them (but in a respectful and courdious way).

What is wrong with the ion? Yes, i know, everyone and their uncle larry has one. But, as far as performance, do they lack something that other 1,000 dollar guns have? I think that they are probably the most customisible guns on the market. I personally don't think that they are made that cheaply, and if they are is it too expensive to upgrade them?

just a few questions i have. if you post something please explain. please don't be four and be like "ion are for newbs". all opinions are wanted. thanks for you time.

[CKY_Alliance]

Well around here the biggest problem is they are not mags and they are SP..two big strikes to most AO'ers..myself not included..


anyway..they are a very nice(kinda) entry level gun..and they actually are cheaply made and break very easy..some of the things ive seen break is a bit riddiculous..triggers, banjo fittings, feednecks..

By time you buy an ion and upgrade it you can save yourself some time and buy a used High end gun and save money while your at it..most of the time.

[behemoth]

2 of 3 shops i frequent have the ION MANUAL PDF Saved to the desktop of their computers, as well as a printed out version just incase.

What does that tell you?



Now, i cant say first hand, but from what it seems, they're junk.

[MoeMag]

2 of 3 shops i frequent have the ION MANUAL PDF Saved to the desktop of their computers, as well as a printed out version just incase.
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HA! I have every manual for every gun I have ever carried.

But the ion manual is often very close.

[Samurai-joker]

well i won't lie i have one. the reason that i got one, was that i was conned into it. If the guy at the other end of the phone would have told me to buy a turd, and that it would shoot 18 balls a sec, i would have. That is one reason i don't shop at that internet store or site.

when i bought mine i had been playing for about three months. what's the first thing i did? took it out of the box, threw down the manaul, and aired that bad boy up. to my suprise something was leaking and took down my HPA tank for 3000 to 0 real fast. to make a long story short, blew the reg and had to buy a hose replacement kit. but, you have to agreed that it was user error not gun error.

are not user friendly to their target market (nubs) to maintain (Aside from the ones that were absolutely blown away that it needs a battery to run).

I think the reason that they got such a bad name is becuase of thier target market. again newer players that were more than likely sold by a salesman the gun. They did little research to get opinions on other products made by SP. They, as i did, didn't read the manual thoroughly (sp?). All they did was see the sight "HIGHEND MARKER ONLY $300" as i did. Then when the gun has problems becuase of user error it's all SP or the guns fault.

By time you buy an ion and upgrade it you can save yourself some time and buy a used High end gun and save money while your at it..most of the time

totally agree with you on that one.

Well around here the biggest problem is they are not mags

I am in the process of finding the cash and resorces to get one as we speek. can't wait. yes this does include selling my ion. lol.

i am not defending the ion just my opinions, and if it sounds like i am oh well. just hate hearing how everything that ever happened to an ion is SP or the gun's fault. no one wants to take into consideration user error or atleast most don't. that is what i love about this forum civil conversation on opinions.

[Dubstar112]

What type of operation is this using? Is it like a m98 with a single acting ram instead of a spring?

[BD_Paintball]

there is nothing wrong with the ion or sp

[Piranti]

For the price for a 'new' gun you almost cannot beat it. It will shoot 17 bps reliably stock. Since everyone has one there is a HUGE market for aftermarket parts and availability of them is extremely high. The main problems with it stock can be very easily remedied with a few choice upgrades.

1. Trigger - Easily replaced and are some very nice replacements.
2. Feedneck - Again a very easy and fast upgrade.
3. Regulator - Some claim it is a crap regulator, however it is probably one of the better regulators out there.
4. Maintenance - The biggest problem with the gun is maintenance and having to take it completely apart to clean from a chop etc.... however there are now a few options to replace the body with a Bolt Out Back (B.O.B.) body. Thus eliminating the need to disassemblethe marker for maintenance to the degree the stock body does.
5. Everything else everybody usually upgrades on any gun anyways, Boards, membrane pads, detents, rail/ASA, QEV's, bolts.

Also Lucky has this nifty thing with thier BOB body is that it is cocker threaded. Are also some aftermarket breaches that are cocker threaded.


As you can see the problems are easily fixable it just depends on what you consider problems after purchasing it.

[geekwarrior]

perhaps the ion has so many problems because it is mainly owned by new players and young kids who either don't know how to take care of a marker, or don't care enough to take care of it.

i had one for awhile, no problems. Soon will be picking up a friends as a backup, and have a lucky 5.1 on preorder. for as cheap as they are (135 used) why not?

[mobsterboy]

quit whining and buy a mag

[Lenny]

well i won't lie i have one. the reason that i got one, was that i was conned into it. If the guy at the other end of the phone would have told me to buy a turd, and that it would shoot 18 balls a sec, i would have. That is one reason i don't shop at that internet store or site.

when i bought mine i had been playing for about three months. what's the first thing i did? took it out of the box, threw down the manaul, and aired that bad boy up. to my suprise something was leaking and took down my HPA tank for 3000 to 0 real fast. to make a long story short, blew the reg and had to buy a hose replacement kit. but, you have to agreed that it was user error not gun error.



I think the reason that they got such a bad name is becuase of thier target market. again newer players that were more than likely sold by a salesman the gun. They did little research to get opinions on other products made by SP. They, as i did, didn't read the manual thoroughly (sp?). All they did was see the sight "HIGHEND MARKER ONLY $300" as i did. Then when the gun has problems becuase of user error it's all SP or the guns fault.



totally agree with you on that one.



I am in the process of finding the cash and resorces to get one as we speek. can't wait. yes this does include selling my ion. lol.

i am not defending the ion just my opinions, and if it sounds like i am oh well. just hate hearing how everything that ever happened to an ion is SP or the gun's fault. no one wants to take into consideration user error or atleast most don't. that is what i love about this forum civil conversation on opinions.

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[glickstue]

perhaps the ion has so many problems because it is mainly owned by new players and young kids who either don't know how to take care of a marker, or don't care enough to take care of it.

i had one for awhile, no problems. Soon will be picking up a friends as a backup, and have a lucky 5.1 on preorder. for as cheap as they are (135 used) why not?

I totally agree with you on this. An Ion will treat you as well as you treat it. Ions are not forgiving like spyders, you can't just toss it in a gear bag week after week and forget about it.

My wife an I have had a pair of Ions since their release and we both love them.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

I can't see that there is anything wrong with the ion.

It has many of the features of a "higher end" gun, with none of the cost. You can argue that it's designed or constructed poorly, but that is not the case. I'll bet anyone, that marketing sat down and said "high end for $300", which means every single feature on that gun was evaluated for cost effectiveness. If it would cost $.50 more to tighten the tolerance on that frame screw it wasn't done. I'm sure all of the possible failure modes were considered for product risk studies.

The last time I went out to play with my Ion I had more fun than I had had in over a year on a paintball field.


I will agree with everyone who has stated that it's target audience is the problem. These are the types of people who see pros throwing guns, and landing on guns during slides, and say "I bet my Ion can take that kind of abuse." Just not true.

I think upgrading an Ion with anything but a QEV, and maybe a new reg is money wasted.

[Lohman446]

2 of 3 shops i frequent have the ION MANUAL PDF Saved to the desktop of their computers, as well as a printed out version just incase.

What does that tell you?



Now, i cant say first hand, but from what it seems, they're junk.

I have a lot of Chevy / Ford / and Jaguar manuals here

I dont have a lot of Ferrarri manuals - its nto because they are better made

Its not a $500 marker, so its quirks become problems. The bolt stick in DMs when cold, thats a quirk, because there expensive markers. It also hurt the "exclusivity" of the sport. Frankly at one point the $800 markers were better than the $200 ones so one could gain an edge by being committed enough to spend more money.

[Pneumagger]

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