I suck with a pump.

[JOESPUD27]

Phantom stock barrel + detent rings is the way to go.

My friend has a CCM barrel kit, and I can shoot paint he can't.

So $6 for the rings that work for every paint and the barrel that comes with the gun

OR $150 for a kit that doesn't even shoot really small paint...

That is a tough one...

Jay

[Lee]

i have heard that J&J's barrels have issues w/ threading depending on the age of the body, so i'd stay away from them unless you can actually try it out before buying it.

CCM's kits are good as well. but, the detent rings are good too. i've used both but prefer the CCM kit over detents. best bet is to try the detents first since that is by far the less expensive option.

[StygShore]

rings you say?

obly problem with the detent rings...

Look at the design of the gun - when you pump the gun, it pushes the ball past the detent ring. If you chamber a ball that is smaller OD than your barrel, it will still roll out the front



Styg

[SR_matt]

have you used a phantom with detent rings? the distance sets it up so the ball sits in it when the bolt is closed.

-matt

[StygShore]

ahh OK

Ahhh OK, I was just going off what I spoke with Mike at CCI about just before those rings came out, they were originally to sit at the rear of the barrel, and they were just designed to keep more than one ball from loading in at a time.

Must have been some changes made to use them as a sizer to hold the paint - cool.



Styg

Anyoen got apic of their barrel with a ring installed? Migth pick up a set for my bosses gun.

[SR_matt]

^^ i could be mistaken but from what ive seen, been told, and handled it seems to me the ball rests in the ring (the distance it is forward i dont think would really help much preventing a second ball from at least half loading)

but i could be mistaken
-matt

[Lee]

the rings don't go into the barrel. they go in to the body then the barrel is threaded in.

[paintballfiend]

So should I try the detent rings then?

[SR_matt]

the rings don't go into the barrel. they go in to the body then the barrel is threaded in.

ya but it still holds the ball at rest doesnt it?
-matt

[StygShore]

pics

Anyone have pics of how the barrel rings work?


Styg

[JOESPUD27]

I've seen some posted on the PhOG. www.bunkerboyz.com/phog I think Pun took them...

Jay

[MuKen]

I've used detent rings, the ball rests on the ring, you won't get rollouts with the correct size ring.

That being said, they ARE a huge pain in the butt. They are small and will get lost easily, esp if you have to swab your barrel at any point. I have also used the CCM kit and frantom, side by side. For larger balls they perform about the same, except the CCM is far quieter. For smaller balls the frantom completely blows away the CCM for accuracy.

Using JT Evolve, size about .682, I can consistently hit a <1 in. thick post at 40 ft in my backyard with the frantom. With the CCM I can barely hit it at all. The shortness of the sizers makes a difference when handling smaller paint.

The frantom in a phantom is actually far better than a normal freak barrel in another gun. In a normal freak barrel, the insert is held in place by an o-ring, and is otherwise not tight in the barrel. It shifts during firing and may move and is generally not exactly in alignment with the barrel front. In the frantom, however, the honed bore of the barrel is a very tight fit for the insert. More importantly, though, the freak insert actually protrudes out of the barrel a little bit. Thus, when you screw it in, the insert makes contact with the breech, and is held firmly between that and the front when you screw it tight, completely eliminating all movement.

EDIT: Anybody else think the thread title sounds just a little bit dirty?

[Lee]

SR_matt: yes.

paintballfiend: it's worth a try. if they work for you then problem solved for a few $$.

[RRfireblade]

So I have been using my Phantom VSC with Telescope stock for a couple weeks and I have probably marked about 3 people while I am shot out every game. I know I am doing something terribly wrong with my technique. Can the pumpers on AO give me some tips on how to shot like a champ.
Thanks,
PBfiend

It's all about snap shooting ,

Keeping quiet till you have a shot/target ,

Moving swiftly and quietly .

You never want them to know where the "Pump guy" is till till they're being lined up in your sights.

Lastly , use the best quality paint you can get your hands on. You have one shot , it better fly straight.