Could A PaintBall Kill you?

[Pneumagger]

Did the paintball kill this guy? Maybe... but not probably.

To end the "Can a paintball kill you?" debate...

• Let me deep freeze a paintball shoot you in the head with my modified Classic mag (which lacks overpressure relief) running unregulated air. - you'd die.

• Try and swallow a paintball, choke - you die.

Now that is a quite extraneous sequence of events, but nevertheless, you are dead and a paintball killed you. Playing the game, as intended by the rules, mitigates nearly all chances of death from paintballs. Although, logic would suggest that even normal gameplay poses some quantitative probability (however infintesimal) of death occurring from a shot.

[68magOwner]

a skull is pretty freaking hard/thick, im not sure if even a deep frozen paintball to the head would kill you. But, im sure a deep frozen paintball in the right place would.

[hitech]

I've been hit in the head with a frozen paintball before. I've been shot at over 400 fps before (and refused to continue to play, BTW). I've been shot in the neck, unprotected, from a few feet. I know someone who was shot in the adams apple from a few inches (yes, inches). I was there when he was shot. None of these caused lasting injuries. My neck bled for awhile and the adams apple shot kept him from talking for awhile, but nothing lasting more than an hour.

[Pneumagger]

I've been hit in the head with a frozen paintball before. I've been shot at over 400 fps before (and refused to continue to play, BTW). ...

That actually explains alot.

[hitech]

That actually explains a lot.

I thought that might clear a few things up for a few people. Think it will help me out any with the misses?!?

[68magOwner]

I've been hit in the head with a frozen paintball before. I've been shot at over 400 fps before (and refused to continue to play, BTW). I've been shot in the neck, unprotected, from a few feet. I know someone who was shot in the adams apple from a few inches (yes, inches). I was there when he was shot. None of these caused lasting injuries. My neck bled for awhile and the adams apple shot kept him from talking for awhile, but nothing lasting more than an hour.

freezing paintballs does not make them any harder, fills are freeze resistant and putting paint in the freezer will do nothing other than make it A LOT more brittle. But, DEEP freezing ought to make them solid.

[Beemer]

atcually a stroke CVA is a ceribral vascular accident. The key word is ceribral meaning head. it is caused by a disecting vien or artery in the brian or a clot. so an aneurysm can be anywhere. aorta, femoral arteies it doesn't matter. a stroke or brain attack is specifically ment for the brain. a ruptured carodid artery would be a disected artery leading to an aneurysm and then the blood flow to the brain would be cut off. it is totally different than a stroke. Lack of oxygen to the brain do to a bleed anywhere else in the body would fall more in the asphyxiation catagory not so much a stroke.

Stroke....Also called apoplexy, CerebroVascular Accident.[CVA] A blockage or hemorrhage of a blood vessel leading to the brain, causing inadequate oxygen supply and, depending on the extent and location of the abnormality, such symptoms as weakness, paralysis of parts of the body, speech difficulties, and, if severe, loss of consciousness or death.

Sounds just like the symptoms he had. No doubt it was a stroke.

aneurysm also aneurism. A localized, pathological, blood-filled dilatation of a blood vessel caused by a disease or weakening of the vessel's wall. A cardiovascular disease characterized by a saclike widening of an artery resulting from weakening of the artery wall. An abnormal blood-filled dilatation of a blood vessel and especially an artery resulting from disease of the vessel wall.

[Beemer]

I thought that might clear a few things up for a few people. Think it will help me out any with the misses?!?

No she already knows you are a lost cause but Loves you anyway.
Really, you dont need any help. But hey how is she[you] doing now? Good to see ya posting.

Peace Out

[Beemer]

I voted no, even though I believe that anything is possible. However, if I believe that a paintball impact could kill me then I would not play. Of all the things I do I think it is probably the least likely to kill me.

Hmmm, I believe it and know it and I will still Play. But of course as others have said, stats, probability, average, bla bla means it wont happen. Right? At least not to me. Of course I should be dead already anyway so what do I care. Once in the Rockies at 14000FT on skies. Once in the Rockies again on a fast bike, gotta watch those curves. And once in a Fast car[Beemer] on a winding road. Damn curves. Its a need for speed thing with me. Still have the skis, still have the bike. Drive a truck now but it will do three digits.

Ya I agree its the least likely to get me to. But unless Paintball gets SMART again it will happen. Just like with screw in tanks, we Knew. It just took 15 years. Non the less two people are still dead because of it.

20 years and no real governing body. Standards that arent followed. Ya why do I still love it when it got so stupid.

Peace Out

[Beemer]

Playing the game, as intended by the rules, mitigates nearly all chances of death from paintballs.

Oh but by what rules? I would argue as intended by current standards. But those arent followed, so where does that leave us?

I would also argue that back when we were smart headshots didnt count. And in fact were discourged and frowned upon, range was longer and the ROF was WAY less.

Oh ya to add.. non of that Really matters anyway its still only one ball that will do the damage.

[Pneumagger]

C-C-C-Combo Breaker

Oh but by what rules? I would argue as intended by current standards. But those arent followed, so where does that leave us?

I would also argue that back when we were smart headshots didnt count. And in fact were discourged and frowned upon, range was longer and the ROF was WAY less.

You can't blame an institution or governing body if the rules aren't followed. Insurance companies do what they can in thier power to set guidlines for fields to follow as well as manufacturers distributing safety information with products.

At that point it is your responsibility to play with participants who
a) Use ASTM certified safety equipment
b) Observe the "Field Rules" which are almost always posted and usually include anti-bunkering, FPS, BPS, and other safety restrictions.
c) Realize that safety is a team effort - not individual.

There's alot people can do to to be safe around other's that shouldn't be the institution's responsibility. It generally requires some effort and in gereral people are lazy and prefer to whine instead. Plain and simple, in the end - it's your responibility to be safe, not the NPPL's, PSP's, etc.

At some point in history people began sitting back and passing thier responsibilities on to others to worry about. Then ***** about the decisions they should've made themselves. IMO that is main the reason the world is going down the pooper.

[Beemer]

You can't blame an institution or governing body if the rules aren't followed. Insurance companies do what they can in thier power to set guidlines for fields to follow as well as manufacturers distributing safety information with products.

At that point it is your responsibility to play with participants who
a) Use ASTM certified safety equipment
b) Observe the "Field Rules" which are almost always posted and usually include anti-bunkering, FPS, BPS, and other safety restrictions.
c) Realize that safety is a team effort - not individual.

There's alot people can do to to be safe around other's that shouldn't be the institution's responsibility. It generally requires some effort and in gereral people are lazy and prefer to whine instead. Plain and simple, in the end - it's your responibility to be safe, not the NPPL's, PSP's, etc.

At some point in history people began sitting back and passing thier responsibilities on to others to worry about. Then ***** about the decisions they should've made themselves. IMO that is main the reason the world is going down the pooper.

Well there is no true Governing body. ASTM would be the institution. Guess who put down the ASTM standards. As in who is, was on the ASTM subcommittie past and present. I can mention names on that but it dont matter. IMHO the safety information is fruitless when the product doesnt meet the institutions SAFETY standards that they put down. But they dont HAVE to. It will change when the CPSC has to step in and no one will like that.

I disagree. SAFETY isnt team untill everybody is informed and educated and on the same page. Whos responsibility is that? I guarenty most if not all guns are as safe as mine in the safe zone. I cant go around and check em all now can I. I have to trust you to make your gun safe.[individual] Its not hard but nobody cares. Oh its ok nothing bad has happened yet. Hind sight is 20/20

[Pneumagger]

You know what's ironic... hindsight is 20/20 - even if you lose one.

[Beemer]

Oops

You know what's ironic... hindsight is 20/20 - even if you lose one.

Thanks I needed that.

If a small stone makes a little ripple, what will a lot of small stones do all at once?

[RogueFactor]

Thanks I needed that.

If a small stone makes a little ripple, what will a lot of small stones do all at once?

Make allot of little ripples all at once I kid, I kid.