Air recommendations

[Village_idiot]

Well it took a little longer than I expected but i am finally a mag owner. Since the weather in Chicago has been so cold, ive had to pacify myself reading the included literature over and over

the graphs showing the relationship between the input pressure and internal pressure of the x valve really caught my attention and i realized i may need to fork out some cash for a tank with an adjustable reg. But after reading over a few of the threads here, the consenus seems to be the higher the input pressure the better. This would seem to indicate that good fixed HP reg would work just as well if not better than most adjustable regs.

also from the bit of resarch i did on my own, the photos of the tanks with the adjustable regs didn't seem to have the standard ASA interface. Would i need to have some other adapter to run these or am i just seeing things?

any recomendations?

I'm sorry if this has been asked a bajillion times, but my search was returning too many hits and i couldn't find the info i was looking for, for at least several pages back.

[robnix]

Well it took a little longer than I expected but i am finally a mag owner. Since the weather in Chicago has been so cold, ive had to pacify myself reading the included literature over and over

the graphs showing the relationship between the input pressure and internal pressure of the x valve really caught my attention and i realized i may need to fork out some cash for a tank with an adjustable reg. But after reading over a few of the threads here, the consenus seems to be the higher the input pressure the better. This would seem to indicate that good fixed HP reg would work just as well if not better than most adjustable regs.

also from the bit of resarch i did on my own, the photos of the tanks with the adjustable regs didn't seem to have the standard ASA interface. Would i need to have some other adapter to run these or am i just seeing things?

any recomendations?

I'm sorry if this has been asked a bajillion times, but my search was returning too many hits and i couldn't find the info i was looking for, for at least several pages back.

After playing around with AA Apoc tanks, SP Max Flo's, and Crossfires, I've settled on Crossfires as my favorite. Plenty of pressure, super fast recharge, reliable.

[jenarelJAM]

I have an AGD flatline, and it's been the perfect tank for me. I don't know if it was worth the extra $100, but it's definately convenient and reliable.

As far as the "adapter."
Non-screw-in tanks have a 1/8 NPT fitting on them. You just screw in your stainless or macro fitting, and run it straight from the reg. No need for an asa at all. Very likely though, you will need a rail, depending on the tank, in order to mount it.

[Dewok82]

A good pre-set high pressure (800ish psi) output screw in is always an excellent choice for X-Valved Automags (as well as many other markers).

From my personal experiences - Guerrilla Air (Ambush, Assault, and Fukus) are great. They are reliable, light, and very compact. Their only downfall is the aluminum threads, which can wear down if your ASA is crappy and you aren't careful when screwing them in. However, replacement bonnets are relatively cheap should you screw up the threads.

Also, Crossfire HP regs have never done me wrong. They're very solid.

Finally, I've been using/testing the new Nitroduck I-reg (800 psi version) with positive results. They run around $55 new and can be changed to LP (400psi) or super HP (1000psi) with a piston/burst disk combo kit that runs about $27 (includes both LP and super HP pistons and burst disks). They have two burst disks - one for overfilling your tank and one for over pressurizing your marker.

I have noticed no drop-off or inconsistencies with any of the aforementioned regs at 15BPS PSP ramp. Also, the customer service from Guerrilla Air, Crossfire, and Nitro Duck is excellent.

You will also find screw in type regulators hold their resale value much better than those that require special rails or cradles.

Those are the ones I have used, however, I have heard good things about the newish and relatively pricey CP regs.

[Village_idiot]

interesting..
looks like fixed output tanks are more poplular that i would have thought. I guess i may not need the adjustable reg after all.

I appreciate the recomendations.

[Ohms Law]

If you really want to get the full benefit out of the RT type valve, I would get an adjustable. You can shoot over 16 BPS by just holding the trigger at a certain spot. NOT legal in all tournys and some fields, but it sure is fun!

[tribalman]

Well it took a little longer than I expected but i am finally a mag owner. Since the weather in Chicago has been so cold, ive had to pacify myself reading the included literature over and over

firstly congrats and welcome. also, where in chicago are you? there are some good indoor fields to go and play at. there is a field in darien called take aim, there is a field where ccp in glenwood used to be(did it go undercompletely after that incident? i remember it changed names), and there is factory pb in north chicago.

also from the bit of resarch i did on my own, the photos of the tanks with the adjustable regs didn't seem to have the standard ASA interface. Would i need to have some other adapter to run these or am i just seeing things?

any recomendations?

as far as recomendations, go with has already been listed. i have a few of both pre-set and adjustables and both work fine, as long as you are getting 800psi into the gun.

if you'd like i'll take some pics of the air tanks i have and send them to you showing the difference.

[3DSteve]

i'm sure you now have plenty of input on the situation, but i've got to support the companies i like so here you go
centerflag makes the dynaflow. it's a great adjustable reg (i've got one on my emag). they're on super sale for $75 on the website. also centerflag is a chicago area company...you'd be supporting local business
guerilla air is another chicago area company. They've got great fixed pressure regs and check out the myth. it's tiny.

[Village_idiot]

also, where in chicago are you?

on the border between Evanston and Chicago, a few blocks from the lake.

there are some good indoor fields to go and play at

My view of indoor fields has been serioulsy tainted by the couple ive been too. I may have to give the ones here a chance if they come recommended

i have a few of both pre-set and adjustables and both work fine, as long as you are getting 800psi into the gun.

I guess thats my big question.. If im going to be running 800-850psi all the time, what added benifit do i get with an adjustable reg? Other than for using the trick Ohm mentioned..

Also after looking at photos of the dynaflow reg on the CenterFlag website, and a few random links elsewhere it looks like these regs just screw right into the tank. Is this accurate? If this is the case, would it be possible to purchase a tank with a hp reg now and upgrade to an adjustable reg later? do all the tank necks have a standard size?

[Tunaman]

You can buy a preset now, and when you are ready we can slap a Flatline on there for you. No problem. If you shoot alot of paint and dont like walking for air get the 88/4500 or 92/4500. 68 cu in minimum.

[CKY_Alliance]

If you aren't worried about getting a lot of bounce then just buy a HP crossfire tank, it should work flawlessley.

[mclaggan123]

i baught a nitroduck ireg tank that you can change out a piston in the reg to get differant pressures. it comes with a 800 psi piston but you can get the piston git to change it from 400,6--,800, and 1000 psi output. the best thing is it is a screw in tank. it works great and the xvalve loves the 1000 psi output.

[tribalman]

I guess thats my big question.. If im going to be running 800-850psi all the time, what added benifit do i get with an adjustable reg? Other than for using the trick Ohm mentioned..

Also after looking at photos of the dynaflow reg on the CenterFlag website, and a few random links elsewhere it looks like these regs just screw right into the tank. Is this accurate? If this is the case, would it be possible to purchase a tank with a hp reg now and upgrade to an adjustable reg later? do all the tank necks have a standard size?

*sorry for pics, only digital camera i own is on the phone.*

http://www.jayloo.com/photo_gallery/gallery.html?pUID=185&pSHOW_ME=user

yes some adjustable regulators to screw into the tanks, but they are threaded in a unique way that you cannot use a preset tank in them.(as shown by the first 2 pictures) typically on the adjustable tank/reg combos all you need to do to put in on the gun are mount in on with a rail or drop forward and then connect the air line. (http://www.jayloo.com/photo_gallery/..._ID=0&pUID=185) for the presets you have the non adjustable reg attached to the bottle which then screws into an Air Source Adapter, or ASA, which needs to be mounted via rail or drop forward to the gun.
pictures http://www.jayloo.com/photo_gallery/..._ID=0&pUID=185 and

http://www.jayloo.com/photo_gallery/show_pic.html?pSHOW_ME=user&pIMAGE_ID=40352&pGROUP_ID=0&pUID=185

adjustable is nice because if you want you can put it on a low pressure gun (timmy, cocker, etc.) and have it work and then move it over to a high pressure gun (automag, spyder, tippman, etc.) it will.

with the presets they only give one output so if it is a low pressure output it won't give enough air for the high pressure guns to fire. with the presets, it's easier to change which gun uses the preset (as long as each gun has it's own ASA and drop/rail) because you just unscrew and put it on the next. see last 2 links. it's the same tank, just different gun, asa, and drop combos.

actually in review, it's pretty easy to change it either way. with either you need to make sure the regulators on the gun are set correctly, but if you are using presets once the reg is set, you won't need to change it unless for minor adjustment. the only real advantage to me is weight, but then again my adjustable tank is one of the heaviest.

any other question just ask away.