Pumps

[craltal]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showp...9&postcount=35

I was responding to going home and how he said that this particular ccm was lighter than the phantom, even though it had no barrel, it had no feeding system, and it was intended to be run by a CA tank, which is much heavier than a 12 gram. None of the required items for it to work were included, but they were included on the phantom.

My civic is faster than your viper if you viper has no wheels on it. Big whoop.

you know what, I read this entire thread and you are STILL ignoring my point. There are so many variants of both guns that he needs to try both styles and then decide how he's going to be most comfortable.

Edit:
last time I checked, 2 lbs 7.2 ounces was less weight than 2 lbs 14.8 ounces in case you don't know how to read that scale. That tells me that the phantom isn't so much lighter as you contend.

[RRfireblade]

Some basics IMO:

Phantom = Small , light , easily configurable , highly effecient , no upgrading needed , low profile , autotrigger by design

Yet : Stiff pump stroke , somewhat pricey , limited 'upgrades' , feels awkward when set up for bulk loaders and air IMO. Best suited for Stock Class configuration.


Sniper = Smooth pump stroke , inexpensive , endless 'upgrades' , easily available/assmbled.

Yet: larger profile , mediocre efficiency , Stock class options limited , best suited or open class , costly auto trigger options


Sterling = Small and as light as a phantom w/ a pump stroke lighter and smoother than a Sniper , awesome auto trigger by design

Yet : mediocre efficiency , little or no upgrade still in production , overall hard to aquire.

[d4m4don3]

Start out with a sniper style then branch off. If you find that pump isn't to your liking then you wouldn't have invested as much as you would have building a pump mag or customizing a phantom.

BTW Wevo paintball came out with an undercocking kit for the phantom. I hear it's selling real well.

[Pneumagger]

Phantoms are small light and efficient... if yo're not runnign stock class, you should be using a different marker. Snipers (especially CCMs) have smooth pumps, larger and less efficient. If you're paying open class or dislike stock class, this is your gun of choice.

Personally, I love phantoms. they are small and extremely fun to handle such a small light marker. I love em so much I haev one now and a duckslide phantom arriving from CCI monday.

But I'll also be the first to say that SS-25, ss-25, or nice sniper blows any phantom out of the water in performance for open play with a tank/hopper.

I have a dropout phantom available for $150 (that's a great price IMO).

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2083564

[Nick E]

The way phantoms seem to be set up is why they feel so light and compact. also the reason why bulk systems can feel awkward on them. I got to shoot one a while ago, it's different, and doesn't aim the same way as other guns(because of the pump). But, I'd try to use both and see how you like them.

[GroovYChickeN 2.o]

Thanks for all the advice guys I really appreciate it. I've decided to got with a cocker/sniper2 pump. I've worked with cockers before, I know them inside and out. That was the biggest selling point for me. Hopefully in the future I will be able to pick up a phantom as well. Anyway thanks again.

The one I bought.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212298

[Smoothice]

Thanks for all the advice guys I really appreciate it. I've decided to got with a cocker/sniper2 pump. I've worked with cockers before, I know them inside and out. That was the biggest selling point for me. Hopefully in the future I will be able to pick up a phantom as well. Anyway thanks again.

The one I bought.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212298

Very nice.

What kind of pump kit is that?

[RRfireblade]

Bad pics but looks like a Vendetta basic.

[craltal]

Very nice.

What kind of pump kit is that?

looks like either a WGP or maybe a basic pmp or vendetta

[RRfireblade]

looks like either a WGP or maybe a basic pmp or vendetta

You could've just said "Not CCM".

[TrracerAce]

Nothing on Trracers?

My total pump setup ran me less than $100, with a bottomline 9 oz. with stock plate, BE pocket hopper and 14" J&J Ceramic barrel.. Sure, they're not as well put-together as either a Phantom or Sniper, but my original is going on six years of moderate to heavy use and still strong, with only a bolt replacement in the future if I don't feel like tapping and drilling holes in my current one.

Plus mainbodies are cheap if you have access to a mill and feel like making it stock-class.

With Nelson valve design, if you have a spring kit the possibilities are endless and ridiculously inexpensive.

I know, I know, "Sit down over there and let the big boys handle this".

[68magOwner]

my newest pump pickup-


I got it with the stock class body/setup, as well as with a vert feed body that accepts standard loaders, have the stock/12 gram setup, as well as a gast through/asa/tank setup. Really versitile marker, and obviously, has all the great qualities of the phantom such as the extreme light weight build, efficiency, consistency, ect. Also within your price range.

[craltal]

You could've just said "Not CCM".

lol, true, but this way I've covered all of the main players in case somebody's looking to buy one...

[buzzboy]

Surprised little has been said about the old PMI brass. Great stuff around back there. Though personally I would go for something a little bigger and meater. A full stock KP rifle or maybe spend the big bux on a getting something PPS. They make the super stocker which nobody says anything bad about.

Under $50 you can find stock tracers/mavs and BE tigersharks. Yes I said it, BE. The tigershark is actually a really good gun. I have used one in the past and it shot surprisingly well.

Under $100 you could find an upped trracer/maveric/sl68/hammer that would perform great for the money and are all good guns.

Up to $200 you can buy an older sniper or buy a brand new stock phantom.

As the price goes up the guns only get better. Beyond $200 I have seen some wonderful looking snipers(such as the beautiful micro sniper pictured above), kick arse pump mags and all of the PPS brass.

My vote is to look for your price range and see what you want. If you are looking to get something smaller, lighter and less speedy the phantoms are great. If you want something you can use in hairy situations and crank out BPS I would go for something more like a Sniper with Autotrigger.

[Cow123]

you know what, I read this entire thread and you are STILL ignoring my point. There are so many variants of both guns that he needs to try both styles and then decide how he's going to be most comfortable.

Edit:
last time I checked, 2 lbs 7.2 ounces was less weight than 2 lbs 14.8 ounces in case you don't know how to read that scale. That tells me that the phantom isn't so much lighter as you contend.

STILL ignoring my point...
And incase you don't know how to read, the ccm had no barrel, hopper, or tank. That adds up.