Rocking Trigger Frame For Mags

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  • G Squat
    Registered User
    • Jul 2006
    • 240

    #1

    Rocking Trigger Frame For Mags

    So my boss is getting a waterjet in May. I'll have it available for use at any time. I was considering trying to make good on an idea I've had for quite some time. If you look at it you'll se its actually quite simple. I wouldnt be able to mass produce the full product, but I could come up with a bunch of rough blanks that would still need to be machined, drilled, tapped and so on. I just drew something up on paint real quick. Lemme know what you think or if its .

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  • MANN
    I am in TN. GO VOLS.
    • Apr 2006
    • 4266

    #2
    are you wanting to make it mechanical or electric? You should look at the proline autoresponse frame if you are making it mechanical. That frame fired twice. Once upon pulling the trigger, and once with the release. As far as electrical I have seen spyder rocker frames converted into spydermags.

    Have you considered pump kits?

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    • bentothejam1n
      Support our troops
      • Oct 2005
      • 1428

      #3
      i think i remember pneumagger saying that the waterjets dont have very tight tolerances... so it might be hard to get a quality product out

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      • G Squat
        Registered User
        • Jul 2006
        • 240

        #4
        It would be mechanical. Auto response triggers arent allowed at most fields. That type of firing mode is illeagal. It depends on what type of head you get on your waterjet. Even if, they're going to be rough. You'll have to clean it up will some milling around all the edges. Me, I'll just do everything by hand to make my prototype. I think it'd fire pretty fast though. Especially with a ULT.
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        • olinar
          mech>electro
          • May 2006
          • 1777

          #5
          the auto response is outlawed because one complete trigger pull and release equals 2 shots. same with the roching trigger from spyder. this would have the same problems i would assume.

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          • G Squat
            Registered User
            • Jul 2006
            • 240

            #6
            No, that is not the problem the rocking trigger for the spyder had. The prob with that one was that it has two switches, which is outlawed. This is mechanical. Wouldnt have a problem there. And it takes a pull for every shot to be fired. I'll have one done by June or July. I'll make a video and see if it brings any interest. Oh, I forgot to mention one of the coolest things would be that the trigger needs nothing but the sear to return it back to center position. The arms on the sear would balance everything out.
            Last edited by G Squat; 03-24-2007, 02:11 PM.
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            • olinar
              mech>electro
              • May 2006
              • 1777

              #7
              didnt know that, well then this is a great idea. is the prototype going to look just like the one pictured? i would opt for a 90 degree since it would be easier to walk it. but its just a prototype. so lets have you get it working before design ideas are thrown out right.

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              • viper-mayhem
                sinisterops.com
                • Mar 2007
                • 153

                #8
                Originally posted by G Squat
                So my boss is getting a waterjet in May. I'll have it available for use at any time. I was considering trying to make good on an idea I've had for quite some time. If you look at it you'll se its actually quite simple. I wouldnt be able to mass produce the full product, but I could come up with a bunch of rough blanks that would still need to be machined, drilled, tapped and so on. I just drew something up on paint real quick. Lemme know what you think or if its .

                One of the biggest problems with walking triggers is having a small trigger guard, even in electro's. I like how big you have it in the drawing. If this works, let me know and I will probably buy one from you.

                PS. I just noticed that you have 2 rods on the same arm. This would cause a push/pull effect which would cancel each other out.
                Last edited by viper-mayhem; 03-24-2007, 04:46 PM.

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                • G Squat
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 240

                  #9
                  In reguard to trigger guard room.

                  1: There will be no hinge pin on the sear meaning I can set the trigger farther back in the frame leaving plenty of room in the guard. One of my hopes in making some of these is to make them fit with classic rails as well.

                  2: If the bull trigger is used (the one that looks like bull horns) your fingers wouldn't leave the realm of the trigger anyway. I see this trigger enabling someone to fire very fast. This trigger used with a ULT will make it feel twice as light.

                  The more I think about and work on this the more I'm considering making complete models. Need more input and responses.

                  P.S. The rods are not connected to the arm. They move back and forth.
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                  • luke
                    lukescustoms.com

                    • Jan 2001
                    • 8211

                    #10
                    Your right about one thing, they are very fast.

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                    • Ninjeff
                      it only takes one.
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 1205

                      #11
                      ive always been intrigued by the rocking triggers. never shot one, but i would like to. Im interested to see what comes of this. keep us updated.

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                      • RRfireblade

                        • Jun 2002
                        • 5103

                        #12
                        If it matters , def not legal.


                        Not withstanding , You'll need either alot of thro to keep it mechanical or it's going to be a fairly heavy pull with such a short fulcrum.
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                        • matteusz
                          It's not about the gun.
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 1106

                          #13
                          I would love to get my hands on a couple of these in raw form. Once you have your design finalized and are ready to cut them let me know. You can shoot me a price and I will send you a deposit. I think something on the order of a modified response would be cool. A spring that would place tension on the sear and lighten the pull or something. Maybe a trip mechanism where the pull on each side of the trigger activates a pneumag setup. Now that would be wicked. I think the 90 degree frame would be more comfortable and could give you more room for the fulcrum length.

                          Also maybe stops above and below where the sear rods attach to the sear would allow them to move independently while still staying connected to the rod.
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                          • turbo chicken
                            waiting for MY pump kit...
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 568

                            #14
                            Originally posted by luke
                            Your right about one thing, they are very fast.

                            i hadn't seen this one yet ... that body looks hot with the frame ... should be in MOTM

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                            • G Squat
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 240

                              #15
                              Originally posted by RRfireblade
                              If it matters , def not legal.


                              Not withstanding , You'll need either alot of thro to keep it mechanical or it's going to be a fairly heavy pull with such a short fulcrum.
                              With a ULT it would obviously be no heavier than any other gun with a ULT. Not even because of the placement of the hinge in the trigger. I'm thinking of attaching rollers to the end of the rods to give it a smoother feel. And why wouldnt it be leagal. Theres nothing illeagal about a rocking trigger frame if its mech. So long as its one pull one shot which it is.
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