AGD inline reg

[LegumeOfTerror]

i always wondered why AGD never made an inline reg that had the design and consistancy of the one used in the X-valve and made it available for other guns. i figured it be a way to open them up to the mass market again. just mill it in a visualing pleasing way and they would have a pretty solid product. any thoughts?

[warbeak2099]

i always wondered why AGD never made an inline reg that had the design and consistancy of the one used in the X-valve and made it available for other guns. i figured it be a way to open them up to the mass market again. just mill it in a visualing pleasing way and they would have a pretty solid product. any thoughts?

Sounds like a good idea.

[Chronobreak]

well the way the rt works it is needed at the chamber pretty much from what i udnerstand so im not sure if an rt like reg could be made for other guns...

as for a classic type reg, i believe there was some made for other guns, or osme early double reg'd mags

[Shane-O-Mac]

Well the X valve isnt readily adaptable to a vert set-up. And current vert regs recharge and perform every bit as well as an X-valve. But one of the first vert regs were basicly made for Cockers, which didnt have one for a few years, and that made the Cocker perform much better. That vert reg was the Uni-Reg by Air America, and that was essentially a classic mag reg made vertical. Many regs are of the same design. ANS is one that is a direct descendant. And it is the same design of the Early AA HPA systems, Uni-reg, Fred Schultz signature series, Raptor, Raptor Rex, and Apocalypse. The 'Geddon is a completely different design.

[RRfireblade]

The A.I.R. is really nothing special in terms of regs , it's how it intregates with the rest of the valve that makes the whole R/T/X valve what it is. On it's own , it's just a reg and not a particularly high flowing one for that matter.

[LegumeOfTerror]

thanks for the info, just a thought i wanted taken care of.

[WalkingTarget]

the thing that makes mags special is that the reg is integral to the rest of the marker.

unless i'm missing something in the diagram, you could simply replace the AIR reg on the valve with a bored out chamber and use a vert reg in place of the integrated regulator.

well, maybe not quite as simply as that, but i've heard tell that Palmers recently sold a mag in such a configuration, using a sideline reg in place of the integrated reg.


on that note though, what is the point? unless you are going for a mag with a psychotic, could never be fed, rate of fire, the built in regulator is ideal, especially given the size of it all.

[AGD]

The classic valve regulator is nothing special. It just needs to be close to the air chamber for maximum performance. The RT reg is a WHOLE different animal and I will bet 99% of you don't understand exactly how it works. It achieves way faster than normal recharge rates because of the delayed feedback loop to the reg piston. It is in NO way similar to a standard vert reg in terms of function or performance.

The sad part is it can not be removed from the valve system as a stand along setup. It needs the feedback loop from the air chamber.

AGD

[PsychoBaller]

The classic valve regulator is nothing special. It just needs to be close to the air chamber for maximum performance. The RT reg is a WHOLE different animal and I will bet 99% of you don't understand exactly how it works. It achieves way faster than normal recharge rates because of the delayed feedback loop to the reg piston. It is in NO way similar to a standard vert reg in terms of function or performance.

The sad part is it can not be removed from the valve system as a stand along setup. It needs the feedback loop from the air chamber.

AGD

Hey Tom, after our un-official placemat diagram discussion at the IAO 03' yrs ago (Hotel Lobby).... I think you should make a Regulator purely out of o O-Rings...

Would be much lighter,


-baller

[LegumeOfTerror]

even if you included a sort of air chamber in the foregrip reg? is there really no way to make it work?

[SlartyBartFast]

The classic valve regulator is nothing special.

Yet, it was the basis for the AIR America line of regulators, No?


Don't sell the classic short.

[RRfireblade]

You'll never get the same results you do as the valve as a whole package.

To simplify it as best as I can ,

The RT recharges as quickly as it does , and that's really all we're talking about here as flow rates from some other stand alone regs meet and/or exceed that of the RT nowadays , because it takes full tank (output) pressure directly into the dump chamber of the valve and then regulates it on the back end. No other marker takes that high of a pressure right into it's reserve chamber. Even if you had that chamber built into a stand alone Reg , you'd still be running LP out to the markers reserve/dump chamber which will never be as fast as the RT and Reg as an intregal unit.

[RRfireblade]

Yet, it was the basis for the AIR America line of regulators, No?


Don't sell the classic short.

True but it's still a very basic , HP low flow (small passage) design. For it's time , it was ground breaking to have a Reg intregal to the valve design tho. That's where the real magic was in it's day.

[Shane-O-Mac]

Yet, it was the basis for the AIR America line of regulators, No?


Don't sell the classic short.

Look 6-7 posts above yours..............lol

Also, the later AA secondary regs (Vigilante' and Messiah) were redesigend somewhat. And the seat and pin were optomized more for secondary reg use. And AA secondary regs were some of the best on the market, at the time............................

[Shane-O-Mac]

True but it's still a very basic , HP low flow (small passage) design. For it's time , it was ground breaking to have a Reg intregal to the valve design tho. That's where the real magic was in it's day.

And IIRC, AGD was one of the, if not the FIRST, to offer a gun with a regulator stock from the factory. And in hindsight, prolly the lowest actual (Dump chamber) operating pressure gun at the time also.