Phantom surrender video???

[AirAssault]

So the attitude that if "your old enough to play paintball, your old enough to follow the rules" makes me a jerk? Please re-read my posts. I only mentioned the kid breaking the rules, and gave no opinion on how the other person reacted. I cant believe you would jump to that conclusion about someone you do not even know, lets be adults here.

Sorry man, and for any one who thinks the kid "got what he deserved", no way. I will prob be out voted here big time, but you dont freakin do that to a little kid. If you condone it your a jerk. Yes he is playing paintball, yes he did a REALLY stupid thing, you don't blast a little kid point blank. Sorry, no way I can ever be convinced it's ok. Oh, and being a jerk isn't a big deal, Im a jerk all the time, at least my wife says so

[hmudd13]

By the sound of it, the older player assumed the kid would surrender. When he bunkered him, and surrendered him, the kid shot him a few times. He then says something like "What are you shooting me for? I could have shot you" and then nails him.
That's what happens when all are not familiar with the rules pertaining to surrender.
Whenever myself or someone else in our group discusses surrendering someone. It is always made clear that if he chooses not to, he's toast.
That's assuming he's not facing you when you surrender him. If he's facing you, you're gonna get one up close.
I've been shot like that by a nervous youngster. The difference is, I was mature enough not to blast him back. Kids make errors. That's how they learn.
Teenagers don't learn.......they already know everything.

[Glickman]

Sorry man, and for any one who thinks the kid "got what he deserved", no way. I will prob be out voted here big time, but you dont freakin do that to a little kid. If you condone it your a jerk. Yes he is playing paintball, yes he did a REALLY stupid thing, you don't blast a little kid point blank. Sorry, no way I can ever be convinced it's ok. Oh, and being a jerk isn't a big deal, Im a jerk all the time, at least my wife says so

as much as i would want to not shoot the kind, honestly, i would probably had landed a shot back, granted, aiming for the leg or something.

why? i hate when kids go on to the field after not listening to the refs explain the rules. i dont know the whole situation, but it seems the kid did either not know the rules.


i am a firm believer in the double standard for new players, (ie, if you come up from behind a newbie, shoot only once in the pack or something) but this doesnt apply to people that dont bother to learn the rules.

either way, it looks (and sounds) like the kid isnt ready to be playing on a field yet

[wetwrks]

Guys, the way this looks to me is that the "adult" called for a surrender.

Now it is known that simply calling for a surrender in no way requires them to do so. And the boy didn't.

He turned and fired.

And per the "adults" statement "what did you shoot me for, I coulda..." says that the kid got him. He is out.

And yet he took a cheep shot and zaped the kid.

I don't know about any of you but he is out of any game I am part of. If I had witnessed this personally I would be pushing that he be banned from the field.

It is a cheep shot, it is cheeting, and it is things like this that drives the new players away from the sport. I am shocked.

[Glickman]

I don't know about any of you but he is out of any game I am part of. If I had witnessed this personally I would be pushing that he be banned from the field.

It is a cheep shot, it is cheeting, and it is things like this that drives the new players away from the sport. I am shocked.

at my local field(and many others i know of), it is not a suggestion to surrender, but it is mandatory. the munchkin shooting would get HIM kicked off of the field (insurance company regulations)

[Pacifist_Farmer]

The insurance company requires that anyone that shoots a young player should be kicked off the field? Gee, that would make for fun games

I can't get the darned thing to load either so there might be some assumptions based on fallacy here.

If you're on the field you follow the rules, where I play 10-15 feet means surrender. You offer surrender, the other player may choose to turn and shoot, but at that point he's probably toast.

It doesn't matter what your age is, if you're on the field you're expected to act like an adult. That means 10 year olds who don't surrender and 17 year olds who shot people on a surrender.

I realize we don't like in an ideal world but those types of rules should be very easy to follow.

[Arstron]

Now it is known that simply calling for a surrender in no way requires them to do so. And the boy didn't.

That is the way I have always known it to work. The older guy asked him to surrender, the kid turned around with his marker ready to shoot and the older guy just stands there, he should have expected to be shot at right then. The kid shot him, the older guy is out plain and simple.

Maybe some fields have a mandatory surender rule, but there are some that dont. Wether that field has a rule on it, no body knows, but if it happened at my field, the older guy would be in the wrong. Heck if you your going to shoot a kid that close, shoot him in the foot or barrel tag him.

[robnix]

That is the way I have always known it to work. The older guy asked him to surrender, the kid turned around with his marker ready to shoot and the older guy just stands there, he should have expected to be shot at right then. The kid shot him, the older guy is out plain and simple.

Maybe some fields have a mandatory surender rule, but there are some that dont. Wether that field has a rule on it, no body knows, but if it happened at my field, the older guy would be in the wrong. Heck if you your going to shoot a kid that close, shoot him in the foot or barrel tag him.

Where I play, it's optional. If you get surrendered, you're options are:

a) Put your marker in the air immediately and walk away.
b) Move and shoot. Most likely you get shot.

It appears to me in the video that the older guy thought he was being cool by surrendering a little kid. The kid turned and shot, the old guy got his ego bruised, and tried teaching the kid a lesson. Where I play, the older guy would have been in the wrong, and most likely sat out for a game or two.

[tech-chan]

Guys, I read this thread and almost cried. YOU ARE FIGHTING OVER A LITTLE KID GETTING SHOT YEARS AGO. It dosn't matter now, and you are fighting over wether it is wrong or not? I don't care, I think they were both wrong and I also think that this thread should be closed.

EDIT: I have a little brother that plays and if an older guy like that had shot him without thinking.... His face would have been busted so bad9I would also had yelled at my bro later too though).

[mostpeople]

Im not commenting on this video, im commenting on little kids playing paintball..

Its not surprizing to me that everytime I see a little kid playing paintball HE DOES SOMETHING STUPID.

Hell I almost lit a kid up who apparantly got out the other day, and i didnt know it, and he walks out behind a can with his mask completely off and in his hand.

Or another time when something similar to this happened to a buddy of mine. little 6 y.o. kid lit him up AFTER A BARREL TAG, that day was rec ball and there are rules against it.

I dont like playing with little kids..

[Toll]

most little kids are obedient, if not a bit slow on the uptake. I don't mind them, they just need to be instructed a little more


The problem is the ones that are simply too little to understand whats going on or have abnormally small heads. The latter scares me more than the former.

[mag_lover05]

WOW, havent seen that one before

[warbeak2099]

Kill them both! Kill everyone who has ever made a mistake on the field! Oh wait...

[Temo Vryce]

There is one simple thing that everyone has over looked. The older individual didn't ask for a surrender. He simply stated that "you're dead". This is not a surrender it's more of a barrel tag but he never touched the kid with his barrel. To me the kid was in the right to shoot the guy. Surrendering is an option. Unless you're right behind me, it's not an option that I'm going to take. If you ask someone to surrender, you're taking a chance on the person saying no and trying to shoot you. The ____ in the video took that chance and lost and took it out on the kid because he didn't listen to the rules closely enough. Actions like that are not acceptable no matter the age of individuals involved.