G-Force to release pneumatic frames for the Mags

[flyingpootang]

And increase the required LPR pressure, thus increasing the trigger pull? Why don't we just throw the frame out and put a ULT in our valves? You are hysterical.

I'd rather Garf just finish his LPR's. He took a long time but he delivered a fantastic product before and I'm sure he can do it again. I wouldn't want to settle for sub-par performance just so I can get the product faster.

Give up on the rear pivoting trigger ideas, so you have to rehash someone else's argument, regurgitate and then rehash it again without any proof then do so. I clearly explained it again and there are multiple examples of Pneumags that rip and demonstrate my point. I have made my point and others have also. Collectively we trying to move on, so if you want to continue to than do so.....

[flyingpootang]

but if you were to make AM/MM and RT sears and make serveral to keep in stock, i mean hell hes already doing this stuff at a loss, plus then you have a more reliable and longer lasting part correct? arent they basically the same part as well with or without a bushing? im not sure but i thought the only real difference was a bushing right?

You defiantly have a point and by adding a bearing would also be an excellent addition. Taking a loss because you have integrity and you already committed to it is honorable, but digging a deeper hole is finical suicide.

[Dend78]

You defiantly have a point and by adding a bearing would also be an excellent addition. Taking a loss because you have integrity and you already committed to it is honorable, but digging a deeper hole is finical suicide.

very true but at the same time making the hole a bit deeper regaining AO's complete confidence and sell tons more as time passes, due to the fact you made a product that no one really has to think to install and works like a dream, while also introducing the ideas you spoke earlier about putting in the closet to increase the mags ability to shoot like stupid low pressures. i dunno but the extended sear could also come later after the LPR is done

[p8ntbal4me]

Mostly to keep the cost down, having to machine separate RT/am/mm sear and if the sear wears out there is an existing stock readily available.

Ya know,.. if 10 of you would get together and pay for the stamping,... you could have a SEAR made that has a longer arm and the problem with the difference in LPRs would no longer mean anything to this product.

Seriously though,.... I can think of one person that made some custom sears for AGD markers and he paid $100 for the stamping,.. and I think $15 per sear.

,... and,.. if my memory is correct,.. the sears were made of titanium.


Just a thought for some of you guys,...



~ P8nt

[BigEvil]

Ya know,.. if 10 of you would get together and pay for the stamping,... you could have a SEAR made that has a longer arm and the problem with the difference in LPRs would no longer mean anything to this product.

Seriously though,.... I can think of one person that made some custom sears for AGD markers and he paid $100 for the stamping,.. and I think $15 per sear.

,... and,.. if my memory is correct,.. the sears were made of titanium.


Just a thought for some of you guys,...



~ P8nt

Titanium is not a good choice of material

[p8ntbal4me]

Titanium is not a good choice of material

I know,... im saying this because thats what this person used,.... and I think you know who Im talking about.

Either way,... simple solution to half of the sear extender questions that are asked here!

~ P8nt

[flyingpootang]

Ya know,.. if 10 of you would get together and pay for the stamping,... you could have a SEAR made that has a longer arm and the problem with the difference in LPRs would no longer mean anything to this product.

Seriously though,.... I can think of one person that made some custom sears for AGD markers and he paid $100 for the stamping,.. and I think $15 per sear.

,... and,.. if my memory is correct,.. the sears were made of titanium.


Just a thought for some of you guys,...



~ P8nt

Jai, If I'm not mistaken the AGD sears are nitrated for hardness. Was that included in the price?

[Dend78]

i thought they were stamped or pressed that would be pretty cool to get a few of em

[p8ntbal4me]

Jai, If I'm not mistaken the AGD sears are nitrated for hardness. Was that included in the price?

I think the AGD ones are,.. Im guessing they are.

Im sure the ones I saw made to be lighter were hardend,... how I am not sure. That is a subject Im not well versed in.

Maybe if Scott chimes back in here he can ask the person who made some a few years ago and see what they did.

~ P8nt

[p8ntbal4me]

Was that included in the price?

Yes,... I believe it was.

~ P8nt

[warbeak2099]

Give up on the rear pivoting trigger ideas, so you have to rehash someone else's argument, regurgitate and then rehash it again without any proof then do so. I clearly explained it again and there are multiple examples of Pneumags that rip and demonstrate my point. I have made my point and others have also. Collectively we trying to move on, so if you want to continue to than do so.....

The post you quoted doesn't mention the rear pivoting trigger at all. I'll say again though that it makes a difference and if you haven't shot this frame you have no business commenting about it and then declaring any of our comments pure conjecture. Hypocrisy much?

As for machining a new sear, you'd still run into the problem of having to jack up the pressure on something like a Tickler since the new sear would be heavier and it wouldn't change the fact that Ticklers are inconsistent at lower pressures.

[going_home]

This thread has been looking like it would fit better at pot belly nation for some time now.
"I must win this argument" mentality has prevailed

[flyingpootang]

The post you quoted doesn't mention the rear pivoting trigger at all. I'll say again though that it makes a difference and if you haven't shot this frame you have no business commenting about it and then declaring any of our comments pure conjecture. Hypocrisy much?

As for machining a new sear, you'd still run into the problem of having to jack up the pressure on something like a Tickler since the new sear would be heavier and it wouldn't change the fact that Ticklers are inconsistent at lower pressures.

I read most of Garf's post and he mentioned that he didn't like the Tickler due to pressure spikes and he felt over time it would ruin the sear extender. I haven't found anything about his concern with trigger pull being a issue. Also from reading and looking at the manual there is a trigger return spring in the G-Force frame which is needed sine the trigger is to light as it is with a properly tuned Pneumag. To say that one LPR over the other, or the weight of an once or 2 will drastically change the trigger pull is a bit out of line. Next week when I get air I'll make a vid of my pneumag with a tickler actuated with a straw. Yeah it's not the same frame, but it'll prove my point that the very minute deference in LPR and has no effect on the trigger pull. Again the mine is better than yours ship has sailed, so try to post without wining .

[UThomas]

I asked Garf about machining new extended sears and he said it was cost prohibitive.

The spring behind the trigger is not installed stock. If you shoot slow and don't care about wasting air due to the higher pressures I'm sure a tickler is great - so keep it on your DIY.

This frame wasn't and isn't about being the Ferrari driven in a school zone - it was designed to be a track car. So you don't design the tires to only go 80 mph. If you only want to drive a golf cart then you can do all sorts of non optimal stuff but for the rest of us we'll want a LPR solution that matches in performance.

[Smoothice]

This frame wasn't and isn't about being the Ferrari driven in a school zone - it was designed to be a track car. .

The limiting factor of these frames is the user.

So even though it could possibly shoot 20+bps that will most likely never happen.

So yes it is a Ferrari driven in a school zone.