G-Force to release pneumatic frames for the Mags

[Hilltop Customs]

If hes lowering the pressure, I hope he is also lowering the weight of the bolt/spring assembly and/or removing the feature of the lvl10. Either that or he has the option of making the power power tube port and the power tube itself bigger(which requires the redesign of the bolt). If none of these steps are taken, the "garf mag" will have a longer bolt cycle time. Which is very significant in a marker that cannot recharge until the bolt resets and the on/off assembly reopens.....something to look out for Garf Its nice to see that people are receiving your product and seem to be really liking it from the response so far, hope your hard at work on the LPR's to satisfy the customers who ordered them too.

[Andrew Cunje]

WHOA WHOA WHOA...did i miss something in this thread...that sounds awesome!!! i want!!!! fill me in im confoosed

Agreed. I am especially excited about his LP mod for the mag valve. It's not a magic box and it supposedly can get a valve shooting down to the last 350psi in the tank. I certainly hope he continues working on it and puts it out on the market when it is totally complete.

[babyface]

big ups for andrew for posting pics and vids. thought it was a lost cause with al the talk on this thread.

[warbeak2099]

WHOA WHOA WHOA...did i miss something in this thread...that sounds awesome!!! i want!!!! fill me in im confoosed

That's all I have to fill you in on lol. He is in the testing / design phase right now. He's got an idea that does work. It does allow the mag to shoot deeper into a fill. He is however experiencing problems with consistency in the mod's performance. His goal is to get it down to 250. He may never be able to get it to work right, he may get it spot on. We'll see. But I told him that he should definitely wait until he's got a working, finalized model before he starts selling this.

[RobAGD]

Man Site Sucks On A Cell Phone Andrew How Long Have You Been Shopping Bt My Store ? What A Newbie. I Do Hope You Edited Those vids I Would Hate To Have To Like Ban You For Posting Links To Naughty Things No Matter How Funny It Is. -R

[RogueFactor]

Agreed. I am especially excited about his LP mod for the mag valve. It's not a magic box and it supposedly can get a valve shooting down to the last 350psi in the tank. I certainly hope he continues working on it and puts it out on the market when it is totally complete.

Classic Valves can operate at 375 psi-425 psi, allowing anyone using one with a Level 7 bolt to shoot down that far into the tank.

If he is doing that with a XValve with Level 10, itd be interesting. Otherwise, not so much.

[warbeak2099]

Classic Valves can operate at 375 psi-425 psi, allowing anyone using one with a Level 7 bolt to shoot down that far into the tank.

If he is doing that with a XValve with Level 10, itd be interesting. Otherwise, not so much.

It's with an RT style valve. He can get it down to 350psi on an X-Valve and is trying to get it to 250psi. In order to do that though, he says the powertube will need modifications. It starts getting hiccupy at around 300psi. If he can get a Classic Valve to shoot down to 250 that'd be cool. But I think the aim of it should really be RT style valves.

[RogueFactor]

It's with an RT style valve. He can get it down to 350psi on an X-Valve and is trying to get it to 250psi. In order to do that though, he says the powertube will need modifications. It starts getting hiccupy at around 300psi. If he can get a Classic Valve to shoot down to 250 that'd be cool. But I think the aim of it should really be RT style valves.

350 on an XValve means he is using a Level 7 bolt.Using it on a RT style valve with a Level 7 at that pressure is like using a Classic Valve. The only reason a RT Valve is a RT Valve is the dual ability to recharge, and thats afforded by the higher unregulated pressure quick-filling the dump chamber.

If he can get the RT Valve recharge of 26+ bps at 250, Id be impressed. Also, more than just the powertube will need to be redesigned, he will in essence need to redesign the whole valve.

[Andrew Cunje]

I did creativley edit it : ) as you said.....took out the boring...and left someeeee of the funny : ) but I spelled ur name wrong so I have to redo the video tonight anyways : P before you ban me! (crosses fingers for no ban) kekekee

and yes...this is hard to use on the phone...hahahaha like half of my post are via the phone : D

Man Site Sucks On A Cell Phone Andrew How Long Have You Been Shopping Bt My Store ? What A Newbie. I Do Hope You Edited Those vids I Would Hate To Have To Like Ban You For Posting Links To Naughty Things No Matter How Funny It Is. -R

[warbeak2099]

350 on an XValve means he is using a Level 7 bolt.Using it on a RT style valve with a Level 7 at that pressure is like using a Classic Valve. The only reason a RT Valve is a RT Valve is the dual ability to recharge, and thats afforded by the higher unregulated pressure quick-filling the dump chamber.

If he can get the RT Valve recharge of 26+ bps at 250, Id be impressed. Also, more than just the powertube will need to be redesigned, he will in essence need to redesign the whole valve.

Nope, he's running a lvl 10. He's got it running reliably at 350 with some simply drop in mods. Don't worry though, he probably isn't going to market it since everyone is just going to poo poo it.

[Smoothice]

After this frame nightmare.. You are right. People are just going to poo on it.

But once everybody has their frame... and assuming they work great... people will forget.

They may never do another pre order with Gforce. But they will probably give them another shot if they can show proof of a working product and not require a pre order.

Hell if it is priced right, does what it is advertised to do, and doesn't require a pre order. I may have to take 2 or 3.

[Andrew Cunje]

Could spawn a Automag Revolution...its such a moddable gun...everythign is so custom with our guns...a lot less off teh shelf like most...

After this frame nightmare.. You are right. People are just going to poo on it.

But once everybody has their frame... and assuming they work great... people will forget.

They may never do another pre order with Gforce. But they will probably give them another shot if they can show proof of a working product and not require a pre order.

Hell if it is priced right, does what it is advertised to do, and doesn't require a pre order. I may have to take 2 or 3.

[warbeak2099]

After this frame nightmare.. You are right. People are just going to poo on it.

But once everybody has their frame... and assuming they work great... people will forget.

They may never do another pre order with Gforce. But they will probably give them another shot if they can show proof of a working product and not require a pre order.

Hell if it is priced right, does what it is advertised to do, and doesn't require a pre order. I may have to take 2 or 3.

Oh I totally agree. I'd like to see a perfect working version of the mod in final form. Then I'll probably buy two lol.

[RogueFactor]

Nope, he's running a lvl 10. He's got it running reliably at 350 with some simply drop in mods. Don't worry though, he probably isn't going to market it since everyone is just going to poo poo it.

Well, Im impressed. It truly defies the laws of physics if he has a stock Level 10 shooting at 350 psi. They usually run @575-650. So he has effectively cut air usage nearly in half.

If he was to use a Level 7 bolt with that mod, he could be running his marker in the sub-200psi range reliably. Tell him to swap the bolts and make us a video.

[Twistedpsyche]

No way would I ever do another preorder with this guy and possibly never do a preorder again.
If this guy showed pictures of product ready to ship then maybe... but we'll see.