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  • Sk8ermog
    MOG = Man of God

    • May 2002
    • 4001

    #1

    Automag Clone?

    I just saw this on ebay and wanted to know what the whole story was behind it:




    Here is the ebay link, but I don't think it will be up much longer.

    Ebay Link

    Please tell us the story of this gun wise AGD techs.

    sk8ermog
  • Shadow221
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 30

    #2
    I think that is the panther which was made by AGD in the late 80's. Not 100% sure though.

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    • Sk8ermog
      MOG = Man of God

      • May 2002
      • 4001

      #3
      The guy selling it on ebay stated that AGD sued the company that made this add on for pumps because they used the same parts as the mag. I just thought was interesting because I've never seen one before. Also it went pretty cheap on ebay for such a historic gun.

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      • Shadow221
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 30

        #4
        hmm. Could be an old desert fox but I doubt it. I'm stumped.

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        • Cristobal
          vox clamantis mag
          • Mar 2002
          • 454

          #5
          I believe that's an "Autoloader" pump conversion to semi-auto. I don't know any more about it, though. Also, unless someone can provide us with a "deap" discussion of it, this thread would probably be better in the main forum -- there's a post going on in there about Automag clones right now.

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          • nerobro
            Registered User
            • Oct 2001
            • 923

            #6
            wild freaking guesses aside... that frame looks to be off of a nelson pump. Probally an old trracer. the body has a fixed barrel, which makes the gun more difficult to dientify. though the feed port is attached the same was as a trracer or hornet feet port is attached.

            My guess is that this is an Ferral Industrys (later to become ACI) nelson pumpgun. With some kind of semi-auto kit on it.

            It's not mag related.

            On another note. the panthers were ONLY prototypes, and were never released. Well... that's not entirely true. I think we shoot P3's :-)
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            • thei3ug
              Canicus
              • Oct 2000
              • 846

              #7
              That was a british gun, very few were made.
              Scorpion pump gun manufacturers decided to sell a conversion kit (which were becoming popular with pumps, there were tons of failed kits) to turn their pump into a blow foreward.

              It was the Scorpion AutoLoader.

              AGD did not sue. They undercut their prices and quickly threw the autoloader into oblivion.

              Have Blue bought it, and for good reason. They're rare as all hell, and quite a conversation piece. They're clunky and unreliable, but at 150 HB got a good deal.

              He also mentioned he'd be scanning pics and the manual into .pdf i believe, for historical reference.
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              • nerobro
                Registered User
                • Oct 2001
                • 923

                #8
                That gun may be brittish... but IIRC the automag "clone" really was a clone. Like you could part for part swap peices. so... I think we have some stories crossed up.
                To be an AGD supporter, one cannot be an AGD bigot. -Nero

                Truth is a complex thing. One must govern by simplicity. -M. Mercier, special counsel to his Majesty for domestic matters. The Brotherhood of the Wolf

                "You can't outrun Death forever, but you can make the bastard work for it."

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                • Sk8ermog
                  MOG = Man of God

                  • May 2002
                  • 4001

                  #9
                  Dang now I wish I would have bid on it. I thought the guy just made it in his garage and then said it was a Mag clone. Thanks for all the info guys.
                  Sk8ermog

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                  • Have Blue
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2001
                    • 144

                    #10
                    The gun arrived into my hands today. As theiug mentioned, $150 is a great deal, in my opinion - the only other Autoloader I've ever seen was the one Tom Kaye had at the tech training last November.

                    From what I understand, the Autloader was sold by Kenimex (http://www.tyresdirect.org.uk/) as both an upgrade kit to their Scorpion pump (http://www.tyresdirect.org.uk/paintball.htm) as well as a complete gun.

                    I haven't yet gassed up the gun or snapped any photos of it, but I have scanned in the manual and have posted it here: http://airsoldier.com/~haveblue/tech...autoloader.pdf

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                    • thei3ug
                      Canicus
                      • Oct 2000
                      • 846

                      #11
                      Wow, that cutaway...
                      hehe, I can see why Tom woulda been less than pleased. Odd reg placement. Seems a bit out of place.

                      My favorite quote is on the now popular thing to do... putting your finger in the tube and pulling the trigger...
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                      • nerobro
                        Registered User
                        • Oct 2001
                        • 923

                        #12
                        What I was trying to say, is that this ISN'T an automag clone.
                        To be an AGD supporter, one cannot be an AGD bigot. -Nero

                        Truth is a complex thing. One must govern by simplicity. -M. Mercier, special counsel to his Majesty for domestic matters. The Brotherhood of the Wolf

                        "You can't outrun Death forever, but you can make the bastard work for it."

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                        • Have Blue
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2001
                          • 144

                          #13
                          Correct - the Scorpion Autoloader is not an Automag clone. It's operation is just like that of a Mag, but parts are not interchangable.

                          The Colonial was, however, a true Mag clone with interchangable parts.

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                          • Sk8ermog
                            MOG = Man of God

                            • May 2002
                            • 4001

                            #14
                            What I want to know is if the trigger pull is like a Tracer pump or a mag. Like does the trigger have springs to pull it back into place? If so that might be an idea for a more reactive trigger on normal Mags.

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                            • Have Blue
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 144

                              #15
                              The trigger pull is like a Mag, but stiffer (I haven't measured anything yet, but I think the distance from the sear pivot to the on/off pin is greater in the Autoloader than in the Mag).

                              No springs to return the trigger - just the downward pressure from the on/off pin.

                              Here's the on/off:

                              Note that the pin isn't polished or chromed - a far cry from an AGD piece. There also isn't a urethane o-ring in sight.

                              And here's the front end:

                              Note that the bolt and bolt spring are captive - I'm guessing the bolt unscrews, but I haven't gotten that far yet.

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