The last problem in the automag valve

[Butterfingers]

Or you can just throw a level 10 on there and have almost no force on the sear.

The problem with the classic valve is that now that the pressure is increased the on/off pin makes up a larger component of the retun force.

[The Creature]

Am i missing something, or didn't anyone actually suggest that the RT on/off assembly would work better in the classic level 7 automag/minimag valve?

[magnj]

we said that. OK so if we add volume then all wed need to do is get a weaker spring andd that would make it low preasure?

[athomas]

Originally posted by magnj
we said that. OK so if we add volume then all wed need to do is get a weaker spring andd that would make it low preasure?

What is it you want to achieve with respect to lower pressure?

The behind the ball pressure of the automag is only 60psi, which is one of the lover pressures on the market.

Using the level 10 gives the automag one of the lightest bolt forces on the market and the easiest on fragile paint.

[magnj]

i didnt know it was that low. I figured a lighter trigger but i dont know .

[Coaster]

yes, a lower pressure mag would have a lighter trigger pull. Pushing up the on/off pin would be twice as easy if it were lower pressure. Therefore, pulling the trigger would also be lighter.

[FreshmanBob]

You don't want it too light, right now I have my trigger set real short and light and it works great for me, but some people may short stroke it.

[magnj]

rite now my trigger is mad light and unbeleivabluy short. I mean the second the triggger moves like a lil bit it goes full auto lol. WIll a pt spacer make it legter or shorter rite now i have a 220 in i have the kit i dont know if i should go bigger i or smaller. I figure bigger is better cuz its a tighter fit and will have less distance to travel but im guessing,

[paintbattler]

AGD doesnt need to do that. they need to be original

[Person]

Answer to hard trigger problems....electronic grip frame. Hey i was just wondering an off topic question... wouldnt an electronic frame be better in a standard mag valve? We all know RTs have shootup but they can make 26 bps BUT the electronic frames are limited to 13bps....thus a standard AIR valve would be best for an electronic frame, am i right? I honestly doubt AGD can improve the AIR valve much at all and i doubt they plan to. Unless they start calling the RT valve AIR valve and make all mags come with intelliframes lvl X and the new AIR valve

[the electrician]

mag trigger feel

the on/off pin does not have as much to do with trigger feel as the sear holding the bolt back. look at the size of the pin. now look at the size of the bolts inner cylinder. the one that slips into the power tube. which one do you think will create more force?
I've come to the conclusion that if it were simple to improve an automag, AGD would have done it.
you want to improve the trigger, get a level 10.
I attached a cylinder to the sear, put a micro 3-way behind the trigger and fed it all with a cocker lpr reg. yes it is a bit extreme but it's fairly cheap, the trigger pull is about 8 oz @ 1mm and it shoots about as fast as the rev can feed it.
point being you have to do alot to improve the mag.

[The Creature]

its a mocker...half mag, half cocker. hmmm interesting, i would really love to see a picture of that

[the electrician]

it's basically a mag with a lpr reg stickin' out the front of the vert adapter underneath the barrel. the rest is internal. because of the cylinder doing the work the sear is either up or down, no short stroking, no half cycles. as long as you feed it, it won't chop paint. so it makes it harder to justify buying the level 10, but the added insurance would probly be nice when it comes down to crunch time and you got one chance to make a decent shot.

what I want to know is hasn't anybody felt any difference in trigger pull since they installed the level 10 on an RT or standard valve?

[hitech]

Originally posted by the electrician
what I want to know is hasn't anybody felt any difference in trigger pull since they installed the level 10 on an RT or standard valve?

Yes, it's lighter. However, I didn't find the 'mag trigger all that hard to begin with.

[The Creature]

the level 10 did improve the pull a little, but i have not tried an RT yet. and as for the mag trigger pull IMO it sucks. for a small person like me with little hands it is difficult to pull such a stiff trigger faster than 5-6 bps, stock frame, or 9 bps with the intelliframe. i am trying everything i can to lighten the pull cause every bit makes a difference.