Technical Roundtable Forum

[luke]

I also vote for BlackVCG & RobAGD.

As far as manufactures go, I think ALL should be allowed. But there is a catch, you have to prove what you preach!

[Miscue]

I agree with BlackVCG... no reason to exclude people - especially those who might be some of the best contributors of info.

[Puddleglum]

Black VCG

[hitech]

Originally posted by MagDog68
How about Mr. Bill Mills?

I second that.

[hitech]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
I also don't think any of the mods should be on the technical roundtable...

That would exclude miscue, and it was his extremely well written post that started all of this. He HAS to be part of it, IMO.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by hitech
That would exclude miscue, and it was his extremely well written post that started all of this. He HAS to be part of it, IMO.

I agree with including mods and certain invited industry people. We'll (AO and the Roundtable) just have to be wary of any biased opinions that may surface during some tests. Some may have to remove themselves from certains tests to ensure objectivity.

I also would like to agree with : Bill Mills and BlackVCG

EDIT: You know, it might just be easier/quicker to have the already verified members of this forum go through Deep Blue and the Tech forum and scan for people demonstrating high levels of applicable knowledge. Make a list from that?It'd be a shame to miss out on some people just because they don't post much.

[sniper1rfa]

have blue is a definate nominee, as would be punisher (if he comes to this board, i cant remember), manike, curt, pbjosh (he made a gun from scratch, remember?) and probably a couple people i am forgetting.

can i nominate myself?

[epterry]

BlackVCG

[orangejulius]

I nominate (SP) glenn Palmers, and PBJosh
Glenns been giving good information and highly knownledgable about his and other products.
and PBJosh being a high Highly skilled cad drawer which can draw out stuff to show cool pictures :).

[AGD]

We might be able to allow very small manufacturers onboard like Have Blue but them might be asked to stand down on some investigations to avoid conflic of interest.

Glen is far to influencial and notable a character to have on the table but he is invited to comment here and the table will consider his ideas.

I expect the Roundtable to act in a restrained manner like a judge in a courtroom. Those not on the Table can make more "emotional" posts.

AGD

[FooTemps]

What about Doc Nickel? Other members of the tinkerer's guild may be useful also.

[ShinyGuy]

I see no reason to exclude any manufacturers simply due to marketshare. As has already been stated few people have the equipment set up to properly test paintball gear that don't have a financial interest in the industry. The point of the forum is to verify claims and we can do a much better job of doing that if the manufacturers can participate. We need to know what tests manufacturers base their claims on. The only people that can tell us that are the people that did the tests. As far as objectively testing competitors products, all of the people thus far mentioned have demonstrated the integrity to, at worst, simple not comment on a product that outproforms their own. If an individual is abusing his access to the forum he can be removed, just as on any of the other boards.

As I argued when fightclub was first formed, I don't believe it is necessary to restrict membership to a select few to maintain a high caliber of discourse. Deep Blue continues to function quite well as an open forum with proper moderation and I believe this forum could as well. If it is truely necessary to make this a limited testing ground with only one way comunication to the general public it would work far better as a magazine style web site. Such a site would be more readable then a flowing discussion and would allow better cataloguing of what has been verified how and of what methods of testing and review have been aplied to which claims.

[845]

Yes Doc Nickel it might also be a good idea to look on PBC, PBN etc and invite some of the smart people from those forums and make this a massive collection of good hype destroying info. Me I will just read and learn

[Webmaster]

Tom,

I feel that there is little reason to exclude posts from Manufactures. While some arent rocket scientest, they obviously have the brain power to create and sell product, which is more than we can say for 99.9% of us.

If this is to be a forum to help debunk myth and perpetuate truth - I dont see that there is any reason not include the people who make the items we will be discussing.

Since we are talking about scientic proofs of the performance of gear - we should welcome everyone. After all - if manufactures A claims product X can do Y - then he must be able to prove that is what it does - or prepare for others to prove him wrong.

Going back to my days in college and high school where we did lab work and process of developing therories and lab tests - when done correctly, anyone should be able to replicate the steps taken to reach a conclusion and have them all reach the same conclusion. Thats the whole point of a scientific process.

If manufacture A comes on, touting product X doing Y - and one of the persons on the forum shows a test to show that simply isnt true - then the manufacture has to come up with his burden of proof. To simply say something works "because it does" will only make that person look discrediable.

Long story short - allow them on.

[cledford]

I don't think Tom is suggesting we exclude the participation of anyone. Just that the "core" group be able to claim an unbiased position. We could include anyone who wants to participate - and vet their contributions with verification. That doesn't mean they will be the ones who write the reviews/articles.

Think of the US court system. Anyone can bring their case to the court and support their views, but Judges are independent or must remove themselves if associated with the problem. Lawyers who may or may not be associated with the matter at hand can present/contribute to the process - but aren't responsible for making the final call.

I think we'll NEED the help of many manufacturers and others will want to come and defend their claims - so everyone should be allowed to contribute to the process, but when the final reviews get written they should be by those who's motives can't be questioned.

We could have working threads in another forum where anyone can contribute, then when the round table writes a final opinion it can be posted here.

-Calvin