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  • laysomepaint
    Registered User
    • Dec 2001
    • 21

    #31
    around here theres 3 paintball stores:

    South 94 Bait and Tackle- a sporting goods store that has a paintball department. They keep most major blowbacks in stock, paint, parts kits, tank valves, co2 tanks, even some nitro tanks. a few barrels, remotes, etc. Not many actual upgrades though(id bet money they have nothing for a cocker...even with all the upgrades avaliable). They also have an automag RT on the wall by an RT Pro...both been there a while. i saw a few classics the other day too. And i think my friend saw an impulse there. Obviously they make their money from the blowbacks, fills, and paint

    Paintball Outfitters- A paintball store that relocated to a sporting goods store that had a small paintball department. Nice deal actually. Imagine the above w/ cockers, an angel or 2, etc. Throw in some good techs and a couple cocker upgrades, and you pretty much have this store. Theyre also partners with my local field(which only had crap paint, have to drive farther then the field...much farther...to get good paint. net beats that most of the time)

    Gateway Paintball- probably the best paintball store in missouri. Also has a field(including sup'air) down the road a bit where they have basics at, parts kits, paint, squeegees, etc. The actual store has 2 walls of guns, 1 for used(they have some nice ones) and 1 for new. They stock mainely blowbacks, but have a large selection of cockers, and used to have every mag in production(until they sold theyre one e-mag). Great customer service and techs, they have most paint, any barrel in most threads(cept impulse) and give a discount for buying paint in bulk. They have some upgrades, most for cockers, they might have the intelliframe...havent been there in a while. Order anything you want there also, and theyll send off guns for annodizing and milling. Biggest problem is that once we add gas into the cost of anything i do get there, its usually not worth it.

    the first 2 are ~1 hour away, while gateway is ~1 1/2-2. (if anyone knows where Troy, MO is, and is looking for a place to build a paintball store/field, great place, lotsa people play...closest field is 40 min away, store is 1 hour)

    its not worth it most of the time to drive that far to get something. Little stuf like parts kits i get offline, but when i got my gun(and when i FINALLY get nitro then a 'mag) I got it from a store(gateway). Gotta support them, and customer service is nice. But paint, its about 50/50. If im in the area, i stop by and get a case, and maybe some tank o-rings, if im low. If im not, net wins.

    the biggest innovation in paintball would be a way to have stores and fields all over, without them going out of business. Maybe a main store in the city, and branches out in places like troy. Order what you want in troy, and the big store in the city will send it to you. If something like this isnt in paintball's future, then stores and fields just might die out altogether.
    shut up and laysomepaint

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    • oldman
      Registered User
      • Jan 2002
      • 3

      #32
      I've got no experience in the paintball of today. I'll agree my idea's are out of touch. My playing goes back to when I might shoot 40 times (and get 15 hits if extremely lucky) in four hours on a heavily wooded field. If my 13 year old son hadn't bought a minimag, I wouldn't have even seen this wonderful site. So feel free to take your shots. (pun?)

      I think *some* paintballs should cost more. And be lighter in weight, not heavier. And not be filled with paint. Now how crazy is this?

      Well, I'm surprised at the obsession over how fast a marker can shoot...you know, the line of reasoning that if 10 bps are good, 20 bps are twice as good, 30 bps are four times as good, etc. Taken to the extreme, a firehose setup would be the ultimate, right? Folks could start converting CO2 fire extinguishers, attaching long range nozzles, and teams can spray each other down? Might be hard to chrono, but you can't beat that kind of "saturation" shooting.

      I looked at my son's paint ball magazine. It had little reviews on about 50 markers. I'll omit the part about most of the high end markers looking really cumbersome and heavy once the CA ($450 for a TANK? Yikes) tank and hopper and stainless steel brackets were all in place - suffice it to say maybe fire extinguishers ARE more mobile. But what really amazed me was noticing the words "accuracy" or "range" were hardly ever mentioned. What's up with this? (Yes, I did read and enjoy the Tech Tips from AGD that touched upon this area).

      Is marksmanship a part of the sport? Are running fast, pulling a trigger fast, and being able to afford ammo THE prominent paintball skills?

      Here's my thought for the future. I think the paintball manufacturer's will come up with a sticky "dry" powder formula for the filling the "paintball", perhaps in conjunction with a form more streamlined than a sphere, or dimpling the projectile. A more "solid" filling could be lighter and more accepting of spin from a rifled barrel. Aerodynamic improvements will offset the loss of weight and result in less impact forces (lesser mass) making being hit a little safer. Accuracy and range will be dramatically increased. Once a player can consistently hit something more than 50 yards away, rather than counting on the law of averages and bps, then less ammo needs to be purchased. This allows higher manufacturing cost on the ammo without increasing overall playing cost.

      In field play the run and gun front guys with today's paintball equipment wouldn't necessarily be eliminated, because somebody always needs to take tactical control of field position. But the back guys would have to be good marksmen, quick and accurate.

      Hmmm...think about being able to shoot 150 yards in the woods with a quiet barrel, a good sight, and single shot average accuracy of around four inches...well, that might offer some interesting new tactics.

      Perhaps it ain't possible. I remember my first hand held calculator cost $225. It could do square roots, so I figured it was worth it. (pun?) Who knew WalMart would eventually sell them for four dollars.

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      • oldman
        Registered User
        • Jan 2002
        • 3

        #33
        Stompy, I've got a feeling you and I said roughly the same things. At least, after re-reading your post, I find a lot of common ground. But what's AGO? (really)

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        • Stompy
          President of AGO (really)
          • Dec 2001
          • 9

          #34
          Lol, sorry I lied, I'm not really the "president of AGO (really)". But that's as close as I could come to what the real president of AGD uses for his identification thingy. Thought it was funny , at least unless he complains. Makes me sound almost important too, doesn't it? lol
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          • PBpunk
            goats are cool
            • Jan 2002
            • 78

            #35
            what about paint disks? you might be able to get better range and accuracy within a reasonable velocity. of course you would have to design a whole new marker, but you might be able to clip feed disks so you dont have a hopper poking up (like warp).
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            • media
              Registered User
              • Jan 2002
              • 64

              #36
              Someone could try making paintballs with two gelatin circles (thickness about same as shell) that cross at 90 angle inside the shell. Could stop fill from flowing, then when someone uses them in a tippmann flatline they backspin longer and have better range.
              Or some type of fill that doesn't flow but still leaves an acceptable paint mark when it hits. Not sure what would work for that.
              If a paintball could be made that could hold angular momentum like a golf ball off a Tiger Woods tee shot, then I think I'd go buy a model 98 and a flatline for woods play.
              Just as long as it doesn't hit like a golf ball..duh!
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              • SkElL~ObIsSiS
                Resident SPAZ! hahaha
                • Jan 2002
                • 243

                #37
                People the arguments about buying from your local field shop vs. buying from the net is a good idea BUT, I could have gotten a 2000 cocker for $360 online instead I bought one from my local pro shop for $500. I thought the extra price was for the "liftime waranty on all new markers" that they advertised in massive red letters above the wall of guns. my cocker had massive problems and they gave me a hard time about fixing it, in the end it was never fixed so I traded them straight up for my mag wich was priced at $410 for just the marker and barrel quite the rip off in my oppinion beacause I got to play once in the 3 monthes I had the thing without any problems.

                Just my 2 cents about the pro shop bs

                Ps. Now I order everthing online or from a local "out of basement" dealer that I trust personaly
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                • Kneedragger
                  Registered User
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 37

                  #38
                  I've been playing paintball for 16 years. In that time this same type of discussion has come up time and time again. It started by putting pump handles on bolt action Nelspots, next was direct feed. Then we went to quick changers, and auto triggers. The next step was constant air. At this point there was a big argument throughout the industry as well as amoungst the players. Tom Kaye himself is probably solely responsible for ending the argument when he came out with the 6-pack changer. (Thanks Tom!!) Next of course was the semi. At this point people started the soon to be abused addage, "There's no skill involved, it's just spray and pray" (I'll go into that a little further down). Of course, this led to the first motorized hopper. The next step was compressed air/nitrogen. And then came the electro. Some will argue that we have reached the zenith in regards to the technological ceiling, but I disagree, I think you're going to see a lot of new high tech gadgets that aren't necesarily related to ROF, but will lead to more efficiency. I expect you'll see a all inclusive gun/loader/air system combo (one that people will actually buy that is) before too long.

                  Through out the whole time I've been playing, as each major advancement came out, it seems there is a group of people that just failed to adapt or pick up the transformed game. These are the people that usually start complaining that the game takes no skill. This is far from the truth. At each progression, the required skill changed is all. The fact that some of the top players in the NPPL are still around is proof of that. The same teams wouldn't be winning time and time again if there was no skill involved. I will say that what the technological advancement does do is bring up the level of bad and mediocre players. The good part about that is these players don't get frustrated as easily and quit playing, which is good for paintball as a whole. Of course the obvious down side to the technological advancement is that the potential for abuse is much greater.

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                  • gmag
                    Lucid Dreamer
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 409

                    #39
                    I would like to see paintball mass publicized. Possibly through advertisements on TV or in magazines. I would like to see something similar to those "truth" commercials. People need to see the truth about paintball. Maybe the Discovery channel could do a one hour special on the sport of paintball or something along those lines. Paintball emits a negative image in the eyes of so many people and that needs to be changed. Through information can come acceptance.
                    "Men think they think upon great politcal questions, and they do; but they think with their party, not independently; they read its literature, but not that of the other side; they arrive at convictions, but they are drawn from a partial view of the matter in hand and are of no particular value. They swarm with their party, they feel with their party, they are happy in their party's approval; and where the party leads they will follow, whether for right and honor, or through blood and dirt and a mush of mutilated morals."
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                    • AngelBoy
                      _-=Angel Boy=-_
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 863

                      #40
                      Well, I buy almost everything online. I know the sayings about support your local field/store, but what if there is no local field/store? Maybe places like 888paintball, paintballgear, and modifiedpaintball should start making branches of local stores in places where there are no local stores. I garuntee you they would make a lot more money, I mean, whos gonna be there competition? The closest field is 3 hours away, and the closest store is 1hour away but only open on weekends. If I could start my own field/store, believe me, I would, but theres not a whole lot that a 14-year-old can do is there?

                      As far as guns go... One thing that pulls me away from buying WGP/WDP products is that they rush things to come out. They put out a gun every year, and are they much different, no? Now take a look at AGD, they have put out 5-6 guns, and look at how much different each one is, and how much they care because u can go from one type of gun to the next type (E-mag conversions, retro-valve, Extreme Upgrades). And also, they were the first to put out a grip that was actually confortable.
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                      • apache
                        The front guy
                        • Oct 2000
                        • 118

                        #41
                        The CHANGE

                        The next big thing is not going to be any technological thing. It's the game that evolves!!!

                        Now the normal way to play a game is this: team walks the field and decides everybodys first bunkers and roughly where everyone is going to go at some point.

                        New to this would be more organization during the game. I think the best pro teams have this already but it's spreading down from the top. Pete Robinson wrote about this in PGI a few issues back: Set plays. Rather than the front guy shouting "cover me, I'll go", the back guy/coordinator shouts "MOVE 7!" and everybody knows what happens.

                        Now, this is just one area of evolvement. I am sure there are others, maybe even the basic format of the game can change. We don't play 30 minute crawling games any more do we?

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                        • MikeCouves
                          The Enemy
                          • Aug 2001
                          • 1877

                          #42
                          We still play 30 minute crawl games every once in a while. It's defiantely as fun as speedball. It feels way better when you get an elimanation and you actually worked for it, not payed for it with paint. But then again, my mag does quite the bit of paint slingin' .
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                          • Jimmi9999
                            Running Scared
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 216

                            #43
                            i was wondering why they don't make dimpled paintballs. if it works in golf why wouldn't it work. is it too exspensive or is it hard to make. there are the ballistic paint balls made for the army but i imagine it would hurt alot more than regular paint.

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                            • ShooterJM
                              Shooter Wang - Ice Ninja
                              • Feb 2002
                              • 3651

                              #44
                              Hate to say it, but I think paintball will grow or stagnate based on the public perception and TV. How do we as a community bolster growth? Personally, I think the future the prolification of next gen indoor fields. Specifically, catering to new players and spectators. Imagine being able to go to an indoor field and have a true, mask free, enviroment controlled, sound dampened, spectator area? That alone would help propell our sport into a more TV viable sport.

                              Also, our sport is based on truth and honesty of players. Truth be known, I think this counts against us with the public. With the advent of cheap electronics impact vests and trigger transmitters could be used as a sort of "instant replay" for controversial calls. Again catering to a TV audiance.

                              Just my two bits.
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                              • ciaran.mooney
                                Registered User
                                • Oct 2001
                                • 154

                                #45
                                Originally posted by ShooterJM

                                Also, our sport is based on truth and honesty of players. Truth be known, I think this counts against us with the public. With the advent of cheap electronics impact vests and trigger transmitters could be used as a sort of "instant replay" for controversial calls. Again catering to a TV audiance.

                                Just my two bits.
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