A product AGD would never make , but would be cool

[punkncat]

It would be really awesome to see Tom design a Lv 10 ram for the autococker.
Now understanding that its one of the mags oldest competitor , really the competitior.Aside from that , if the licenseing could be worked out it would be awesome.
Design a ram for the autocoker that works just like normal on the cocking cycle , but then as it comes forward would stop on a ball and bypass the air if there was any resistance, using the same technology as in the Level 10 bolt.
All I ask is to be sent a prototype for coming up with such an awesome idea......

[InSaNoJeSteR]

A product was already made that can achieve this. We like to call them lighter main springs.

[nerobro]

palmers quickram is made with this in mind. larger ram shafts make for lower bolt return force.

[InSaNoJeSteR]

SMC (Made for Freeflow) ram as well.

[Catch22]

It have actually already created a "set" of pneumatics that do this but the do only exist on paper. I really have no ambition to get this done and no i'm not applying for a patent. So I'll just tell you that there is a special 3 way, a special ram and TWO LPRs. Thank you. you figure it out.

[nerobro]

That setup was released at skyball. they beat you to it as well.

And a ram shaft dia solution while not as adjustable, does improve reliablity, and ease setup ;-)

[jinxed]

Ya, a couple different companies have released cocker-clones that use the dual-LPR setup.
Its very clever. Basically, lower the forward stroke to pinch, but boost up the back stroke to increase cycle time.

I'm tempted to buy an extra mac-noid, and do this with my Rainmaker.
The Rainmaker already doesnt chop. I'm more interested in increasing pressure to the rear-stroke to boost cycle times.

nick

[punkncat]

Originally posted by InSaNoJeSteR
A product was already made that can achieve this. We like to call them lighter main springs.

Ahh , uummmkay , whatever you say.

[Catch22]

My setup is different than that. I didn't even know that they had that though.

[SlartyBartFast]

You only need to step the ram on the forward stroke in the same manner the lvl 10 is.

You could then have a true 2-speed bolt like the Automag.

[Catch22]

i wonder If that 2 stroke system works?

[zabbu]

yup

yes the dual system works.
but as stated the lighter main springs kit works too. i have the AKA spring kit in my cocker. and i dont chop paint, even with out the eyes.
brandon

[Vitamin G]

you should make it, patent it, and sue all the companies with "anti-chop pneumatics"

[flanders]

honestly there can't be a level 10 style ram, level 10 works with the firing point as well as the ram movement, while the ram just moves back and forth, the only way to do it would to hacve a ram that doesnt seal while in a stoped position

[jinxed]

Originally posted by flanders
honestly there can't be a level 10 style ram

Of course you can.
I've seen a few prototypes of rams that had a 60psi AND 100psi input ON THE RAM itself. The ram would travel forward on 60psi for a 1/5" inch, then get boosted to 100psi to finish the cycle forward, and then return on 100psi.
If it pinches on a ball, it never reaches the boost cycle.
Pretty simple actually, and fixes the problem with the standard dual-LPR setup by greatly increasing cycle speed.

nick