New design to E-mag. Thoughts?

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  • Meph
    AO's Tippmann Guy
    • Aug 2002
    • 737

    #1

    New design to E-mag. Thoughts?

    Redesigning the E-mag. Not much, nothing drastic or revolutionary. But actually something quite simple. And something that'll keep it looking probably the same as the current E-mag, foregrip and all (if wanted).

    Instead of the magnet noid and the huge battery pack, try this. A pneumatic ram. Spring-return assisted too. Not an autococker ram, those are way too long for what's necessary. Since to move the sear is not even close to as long as it is to re-cock an autococker. A shorter one would be in order, like from Clippard. Plus it'd be more efficient!

    But that's the overall design change. Toss the 2-way solenoid, the microchip housing, and battery all right into the front grip. All of that in place of the current Battery. So you can house that all there in the box, and keep the look. While keeping it all organized.

    Now here's the key. Because you can't just have it fire like regular. Can't happen, since the fast recharge would make chronographing actually misleading and probably illegal. Afterall, if you fired fast you'd instantly be firing about 35-40fps faster than when you chronod.

    So what would have to be done is a ULT. This is an important piece of the puzzle, in both a low pressure for the ram AND so that a 2-way noid can be used instead of a 4-way. This will reduce the required PSI in the ram, making it cycle faster and easier. And electronic configuration to that the on/off pin is actually in the OFF position when resting.

    Meaning when you pull the trigger, the noid will make the ram actually go down, to turn the pin on/off pin "ON". Air will flow into the champer and fill up to get ready to fire. Then the ram will be made to go back up, seal the chamber with the on/off pin, and fire the marker.

    Basically, it'll make it chornograph like your chorno a mechanical RT/E-mag! But without the need of a mechanical mode.

    To keep it clean, the hoses can go right through either side of the frame. Just drill a couple holes, have them slide right down through. Nothing external, nothing messy or sloppy.

    And best of all, the battery. Would only need to be a 9volt. And with a setup of say, a Race Frame 4-way (they're very efficient).... you can get 20, 30, maybe even 40,000 shots off of just 1 9V !

    Of course ULE goodies would be nice like the mainbody and milled battery pack (now the everything-else housing for chip and stuff).

    Above all, hopefully with some of the devices used it could make the cost cheaper and make the price come down. I'd hope it could. I'm not going to comment on cost since there's a lot of factors and the simple fact that these aren't mass-produced to insane numbers to cut down the cost by quantity. But I don't know about you, however if I found a brand new E-mag for $1000 on Airgun.com then I'd probably consider buying one. Since currently on airgun they're about $1300 with the design it has right now.
    Last edited by Meph; 08-21-2003, 06:27 PM.
  • paintballbeaver
    SHORT BUS KILLAS
    • Jul 2002
    • 1100

    #2
    all you need now is

    a clippard ram 600-1000psi

    2-way or 3 way noid 600-1000psi 6-12 volts

    a morlock

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    • Meph
      AO's Tippmann Guy
      • Aug 2002
      • 737

      #3
      Just had another possible idea as well.

      Have a major difference between E and X mag besides cosmetics!

      Make the previous mentioned design as the X-mag instead. Have the X-mag manufacturered with mechanical/hybrid/e-mode as that version is fully capable of still. So when you get the X-mag, it's somebody who really has the money and wants all those benefits.


      And then with people that want an electronic mag, yet don't want the higher cost or don't care for the extra modes. Use the solenoid that is currently in Hyperframes, E-spyder frames, E-Blade autococker frames. Use one of those lil guys. Get rid of hybrid and mechanical mode, make it just straight out E-mode.

      With that electronic noid and a 9volt, that could drastically cut down the cost of an E-mag.

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      • ShinyGuy
        Elves like shiny
        • May 2001
        • 226

        #4
        Its a pretty good idea (especially the concept about not opening the on/off until just before the next shot) but it does add a fair amount of complexity.

        You'll need to find space for an LPR as the mag runs of a much higher pressure than the solenoid and ram are designed for. You'll also need to plum the air into the grip frame in an elegant manner (I'd love to see a classic RT converted with a custom banjo bolt).

        You could run into ROF issues with the lower pressure ram cycling fast enough but these should be solvable given the speed the E-cockers are at these days (with much longer throw rams). The more likely issue will be lag between the trigger pull and the actual shot as the on/off opens and the chamber is filled (it would probably be better not to use the ULE on/off the larger pin should open a little faster).

        I'm not sure the complexity is worth it for production but I'd love to see a conversion.

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        • mquinn96
          Registered User
          • Jan 2003
          • 17

          #5
          Using a pnumatic ram instead of a solenoid is what the original F5 autococker had. It used very little battery power but at the expense of air and complexity. If a solenoid can do the job it is a much better design. The best thing for battery efficiency would be a lighter trigger pull that would make the solenoid require less power per shot (which is where the level 10 and ULE trigger come in).
          Michael Quinn
          PBX Armored Saints

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          • Meph
            AO's Tippmann Guy
            • Aug 2002
            • 737

            #6
            Well, with the LPR not needing to worry about being set too low for being gentle on paint. You can actually crank it up so the ram will cycle faster than you even see on E-cockers.

            Not to mention, being that it will be shorter it will be able to cycle even faster. Less distance to travel, so it can go forward and return in a shorter amount of time required than regular cocker rams.

            And LPR can be right in the foregrip area with the 2-way noid and microchip. That foregrip is there any ways, might as well use it!

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