take a look at this idea...

[trevorjk]

alright this may be years ahead of us or it may not be.... but heres my idea

my idea is to totally take away the trigger. and instead of useing a trigger the user of the marker is equiped with a glove and ever time the sensor on the tip of the shooting finger touches the sensor on the gun it would shoot. sounds very simple to me but then again it took me 30 minutes to figure out how to wire one small led light to a battery pack and to an on/off switch on my i-frame

any comments i know i might get flamed and what not but hey i think its a cool idea and that paintball might be there one day

[Schnitzel]

i remember somebody had the idea before. the concept was to sew a magnet into your glove and just hammer away. but safety flies in the face of this concept and i think as well as NPPL rules.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45080

[Kingman01]

How about replacing the trigger with a touch pad such as those found on laptops? In alot of cases, triggers are merely cosmetic.

[fnherstal]

you could have just a pad made from David lussey's Quantum Tunnelling Composite (and one at 90degrees to act as safety) just aplly pressure to safety then squeeze the trigger pad
check out there site for more info on a material that is both an insulator and conductor
QTC manufacturers web site

[athomas]

trevorjk - This idea is not allowed because it is too easy to add "additional triggers" to the gloves or area around the trigger sensor.



The touchpad would work, but some people like a tactile feel when pulling a trigger. A tactile feel makes them think they are doing something. Plus, some players like a trigger to be a longer pull. A touch pad has no pull length, only various pressure. So, yes a touch pad might work, but it would have to be an option rather than the standard for it to be accepted.

[potsdamcartel]

i was thinking about a very small IR beam like the kind in an ACE(just opposite) or a hopper.
mount it vertically where the trigger is. when your finger breaks the small beam, it fires.

but then i realized that would be illegal according to NPPL rules. it would constitute as having 2 triggers(gotta figure that out)

what about making the trigger stationary, then insulating it. then turning it into a touch thing. not a pad, but when you touch it, it fires. its hard to describe but i got the idea when i saw this metal lamp in my room that turns on when you touch it.

[Quickling]

The touchpad idea would be interesting but would handicap most players these day s who use triggers that bounce.

With a touch pad you would really be limited to each seperate touch, and walking down the length of a trigger would also not be possible (or at least I can't think of a way to make this happen).

With an trigger like ACE device you even more problems as the touch pad as I see it.

The ACE trigger would require an unbroken beam to become broken to fire, thn return to unbroken to return to a state of rest, waiting to be broken again.

Without a trigger as a guidepoint how would you know underfire where that point was? It would seemingly be easy to set off on the run, but worse is another problem.

You come up to fire, your firing away, you have to hold that marker still and your hand, otherwise your fingers placement within the trigger guard might chance (the guard might still be needed for the placement of the other eye).

So what if it moves? What if you inadvertantly shift your finger into the beam, not the tip of your finger but father back, where the focal point of movement might be more constant. Thus the beam doesn't reset to an unbroken state becuase your knuckle is in the way.

Another issue, you finger will break the beam twise per "pull." Once as it passes through the beam the first time moving towards the back of the gun, and a second time as your finer passes through the beam as you move it towards the front of the gun.

Sorry for the long rant.. I was thinking as I was writing. (delete is this isn't par for DeepBlue).

[hunter100]

Instead of a touchpad, you could use a normal style trigger connected to a small force sensor. The gun could be set to fire when the pull force exceeds some amount, say 2 ounces or similar. A trigger like this would have almost zero travel distance. The force required to fire would be adjustable through the program running the gun.

[Echo419]

Or, just have the beam that was discussed before and the trigger!

The trigger would be layed in place as normal. But the trigger is stationary except for 1mm movement. Place the beam behind the trigger, and the but end of the trigger would break the beam. So techincally it would be legal... 0 trigger presure to pull, and 1mm distance to pull... THe beam would be kind of liek the garage door censors... A second beam reciever would have to be placed below the other like on a dropforward or something or the beam would travel all the way to the ground which is kinda stupid.

[Top Secret]

Yeah that's called an Opto-trigger. It's optically activated and is on IR3 Mem6s, Speeds, A4s and Eblades.

[magman109]

My idea for a trigger is this,

Ya know the scroll buttons on a mouse? Those things that are inbetween the two buttons on some mice and you can like scroll them like a wheel to go up and down on a page? Well those have rigges on them so you can have some friction between your finger and the wheel. So take on of those and a put it on back of the grip. Hook one of those to a activation device that the ricco 2k hoppers use, a peice of something that when bent sends a signal. So the rigges on the wheel would bend the arm just enough to send a signal to the board to fire. If ya put alot of rigges on the wheel it will fire faster. Basically i figure ya can put this on the back of a Y frame and then just rub over it with your thumb and you get a really fast rate of fire. . . dont know if i made that clear but make sence to me. Instead of a normal trigger put this wheel on the back of your frame and then use that and to shoot by rolling it. I can see how this violates any of the rules for triggers in the rule book, and i am in the process of making one work on my race FF and for my matrix. The point i am at right now is having the frame made up

Pat

[f3rr3+]

yeah i posted that a bit ago... and my names pat... scary...

[magman109]

That is scary!!! lol Imma hoping it works, my dad and i made the electronic switch for it and now imma just waiting for hte frames to put it in. Ill keep yall informed.

Pat