How many bps is too many bps..Technical Question

[MrWallen]

Ok, fastest way to get most BPS?

Simple. Grab about 20 cases of any kind of paint, dump them all into a very large container of some kind, and launch all the balls at once! 40,000 bps :) Add more balls as desired. A catapult would probably be the best way to achieve this.

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[i heart my mag]

about the whole vaccuum idea......

couldnt you only b shooting into a vaccuum for 1 shot?? maybe im wrong but i thought that when the gun was fired, air was released into the chamber, traveled down and escaped at the end of the barrel.....

so...after 1 shot wouldnt there be pressure in the vaccuum? rendering it no longer a vaccuum?

[MrWallen]

I think the point is not so much that it's in a vacuum, as much as air resistence is being ignored.

And since everything here is mostly hypothetical anyway, we're gonna say that this marker has a special type of design that makes it so the air doesn't escape into the vacuum.

[paint magnet]

Originally posted by MrWallen
I think the point is not so much that it's in a vacuum, as much as air resistence is being ignored.

And since everything here is mostly hypothetical anyway, we're gonna say that this marker has a special type of design that makes it so the air doesn't escape into the vacuum.

Oh, but don't all Smart Parts guns do that allready?

If you want to do it on another gun however, you're going to have to get a WAS board

[MrWallen]

Yeah, the WAS board will only work if you have a TurboRev in your revy, tho. The ai is the only thing fast enough to keep up with such complex situations.

[paint magnet]

Of course. And the reason you don't see any feeding improvement is because humans are not intelligent enough to comprehend this future technology stolen from aliens.

[dr_trev]

ok, here's the thing, if you are shooting woth no wind, no rain, in other words perfect conditions then, yes a paintball would be able to catch up with the one in front of it, but we don't live in a perfect world, so... i don't think this question can be answered, only by preference

[athomas]

If the paintballs are shot in a vacuum then there are no outside interferences. Therefore the leading paintball will not slow down and the following paintball will not catch up.

If the paintballs are somehow fired in such rapid succession that they are close to touching when fired, then in theory it is possible that the trailing ball will catch the leading ball. The leading ball will have more forces acting on it slowing it down more quickly than the trailing ball.

If the paintballs are shot in a real world condition then the trailing paintball would be too far behind the leading paintball to be affected by any drag or drafting effects. Both balls would be affected by the same properties and therefore both would exhibit the same rates of negative acceleration. The only contact between the two balls will be when the front ball stops and the next ball lands on the same spot.

[paint magnet]

Also, for the balls to collide in the air, you would have to have "perfect" paintballs and a "perfect" barrel, because by the time they caught up to each other they could be 100 yards away from the gun, and even a variation of an inch (more technically, .69 or even .680000001) would cause them to miss each other. And we will likely be able to achieve more of the other requirements (faster hoppers, faster rates of fire) before we get a gelatin-encased capsule fired with a burst of air to make 2" groups at 100 yards.

[Wes Janson]

I think we're all getting off track. The point of the thread was to answer the question as to whether or not one a gun could realistically shoot fast enough that its shots would be hitting themselves. Obviously, that's not possible. As far as I'm concerned, debates over how alien technology-utilizing paint hoses would perform in a vacuum near Pluto at .999c are rather pointless. The simple answer to the question is, no matter what the hell you do you're never going to encounter that problem with a marker.

[MrWallen]

Yes, you can have it happen, just not in the way everyone is thinking. There is a problem, where if the LX is set a certain way, a ball will sometimes just roll out of the barrel. The next ball will come flying out, and impact the ball, about an inch or two outside the barrel.

Looks like a barrel break, but inspection of inside of marker shows no paint. If you watch closely, you'll see it happen.

Actually, quite fun to see the paintball explode in mid-air.

[paint magnet]

I remember at SC AO day II on the hill challenge field, we had something like 40 X mags/Emags/Intimidators/other high end high ROF guns on the field and at least 20 other misc. lower end guns, and you could literally lay on your back in one of the trenches and see the balls hitting each other in mid air.

[Bolter]

if you turn you bottle output down alot, I have got the paintballs to hit each other. But thats cheating.

[DirectHitSniper]

the only reason they are hitting eachother is because the ball first shot has a lower velocity than the second ball shot therefore allowing the second ball to catch up.

but if the velocity is constant then the second ball would start slowing down at the exact same spot as the first one and therefore never be able to catch up

of course if you take air resistance into effect it can be possible for them to hit eachother. But this would be really rare

[Renegade_Azzy]

At what speed does the 2nd ball have to be fired that it creates a pressurized area behind the first? Thinking that the first ball is slowed by friction, and the 2nd is fired before the 1st leaves the chamber. Would the air behind the first be compressed, slowing the 2nd but speeding up the first?

BTW, Kinda new here, Hello everyone :)