Touch Sensitive Trigger

[Aleis]

Obviusly

Well then what are you going to use to hold your gun with? Custom goggle head mount.

IR Beam: only problem with this is if your gun gets dirty while you play, better hope you don't have to Superman slide into your bunker on a dirt field, or even Splatter for that matter you'd be screwed., Guess you could have it reccesed into a hole quite a ways to protect it. they do have break beam triggers ie. the Pimp Kit by Evil, which is a trigger that swings into the path of a ir beam to fire.

[Raven4000SX]

If you read some of the new Shocker ads it says "touch sensitive trigger available (future). something close to that.

[goat]

The touch sensative trigger has been done before and SP could get a dose of their own medicine on this one.(Prior art)..........But then again what do you expect from a company that patented the barrel cover years after people were using them........................ makes me angry

[Aleis]

patented

"It's been done" but was it patented. like you said they did it for barrel bags years after.... and while we are here didn't AGD patend the magnetic trigger?

[P8ntBallBoom]

Hmm, just curious. Is there any chance AGD is going to sell XMags and Emags anymore and just add on the royalties that they have to pay to smart parts?

[Slimm Jimm]

Isn't the definition of a switch any device that interupts the flow of an electric current. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Aleis]

[P8ntBallBoom]

How on earth can they patent the barrel cover? You mean like a bad to put it in or like a barrel condom?

[want2race]

I've thought about the same concept. Touch pad. The apartment building I used to live in had an elevator with touch pad buttons. We used to "walk" the buttons for the entire ride. I figured, if they can make individual buttons touch sensitive I could put one in a marker. The buttons were very close to each other, yet only the one you actually touched lit up. Instead of one touch pad, use two. One for each finger. Both operating indepentantly.

You would need to get one of those Miller Light finger treadmills to work out your digits though. (to build up speed that is)

[cybershark]

IR beam triggers

the Eblade uses an IR breakbeam...and it's tourney legal...I'm not sure exactly what you're looking at using to activate it, but IR beams are already used in tourney legal triggers...

Here's my question on the IR beam...I know some people have discussed using a mousewheel (as in the wheel inside a ball type computer mouse) to trigger the Eblade...you'd spin it and it has a series of slots in it...so it'd block and unblock the light path...obviously no exertion and release of force here since multiple shots are fired with a single exertion stroke...but what if you had one beam and multiple "beam breakers" each one requires it's own exertion and release to fire...like a piano keyboard...you'd rake your finger across the "keys" and they'd all individually break the same beam...now...finally...that question can be asked:

In the scenario above...which is the trigger?
Is it the beam that detects an object entering and exiting it's path (exertion and release)
OR
Are they the individual keys that block and unblock the beam?

sadly the second question is: how quickly will the NPPL revise their rules if I make a gun with a raking trigger system?

The only thing I can think of to say against that is look at people who rake their trigger vertically now (like that one in the prototype area with the wheel at the middle hump)...they apply one stroke of pressure downward and get two shots as their finger his the hump and bottom of the trigger...raking isn't considered illegal but it's 2 shots in one force exertion, and 1 more in the release (although release is really a reverse exertion in this case)

[coolcatpete]

If the touch sensor was activated by such little presure what would happen when you would run would it go off.
Pete

[JustAnotherGuy03]

hey folks i got a little tidbit of info for this subject.

first - yes this has been done before. i have a video on my computer of a triggerless bushmaster and a guy shooting it. i dont remember where i got the vid from but i may send it to ya if asked... however even though it has been done before it was never patented. as is the case with many of the litigation that sp has it's not who made it first that counts, it's who patented it first even though you still have to show some stronghold in the design.

second - as far as this being tourney legal ae you sure it says force must be applied to the trigger? i for one dont know the exact rule, but it seems that the rule is there only saying that a force of some type must be applied by the user in order to fire the marker. this would include ay movement of the fingers which is application of a force. in the case of the triggerless bushmaster video that i spoke of the user was actually wearing magnetic gloves i believe. this would incurr a different kind of force applied to the trigger/switch: a magnetic force.

third - yes the e blade does use an internal ir beam to detect the trigger movement, but i believe what was brought up first was using an external ir beam to detect finger movement. i actually thought of this the other night. problems that go along with this may include dirt getting in the way that was mentioned earlier as well as light interference such as what used to happen to old vl revies. this could be helped by putting the ir reciever on the top of the trigger space and the emmitter on the bottom. it would be a nice idea if anyone could get it to work, and it would eliminate any form of electronic bounce for a lack of microswitch.

anyways i know it's a long post but i had to get it out. it's my first post here on automags.org by the way...

[hitech]

Here are excerpts from the rules concerning triggers.

PSP RULES (CHICACO OPEN PEOPLE)

3.3 A trigger is a moveable lever that causes a marker to fire when force is applied directly to the trigger in a vector parallel to the vertical plane of the marker. A marker that can be caused to fire by any other means in illegal.

< http://66.226.65.230/rules/PSPRules102c.doc >


NPPL 2004 RULES


11.02 The definition of a trigger is the moveable lever or button that comes in contact with the
finger. The contacts of a switch are not a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the
finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every shooting
cycle. Markers may shoot at any rate of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided
that it shoots in semi auto or pump mode only, which means that no more than one paintball is
discharged during each shooting cycle.


< http://www.helenapaintball.com/NPPL_...004_3-1-04.pdf >