Extremely Simple Short-Length Trigger??

[APowers365]

This idea just popped into my head one day. I can't really explain it in words so here is a crappy picture I drew:



If the sear was that long, the bottom of the sear would only needed to be moved slightly to trip the sear. A slight touch on the trigger would move the bottom of the trigger alot. So combine those two things and u wouldn't need much movement on the trigger to trip the bolt.

I don't see why this wouldn't work. The only possible problem I can see is short-stroking but I don't think that would be a problem either.

Let me know what u guys think.

[ZapTheMad]

The force needed to pull the trigger would be tremendous! It would be extremely short but the pull would be like 20 pounds!

[APowers365]

That doesn't make sense. The current sear is not as long so it would require more force than this one...

[athomas]

The long part of the sear and the long part of the trigger just cancel out any leverage gains.

There are two ways to change the mechanical part of the sear/trigger junction.

1) Make the sear lever longer and move the trigger point down so that it pushes the longer lever. This would result in a long soft pull.

2) Make the sear lever shorter and move the trigger point up. This would result in a short stiff pull.

[ZapTheMad]

True, the leverage gained with the longer sear cancels out with the leverage lost in the trigger.

[tihul]

what about pulling directly on the sear? I could see short-stroking but there are ways that could be perfected. It would be a lighter trigger pull than the design stated before mine because of the one leverage gain and nothing to cancel it but you would still need a heavy return spring. Wouldn't that work?

[athomas]

Without valve modifications, the "force times distance" required to trip the sear will always remain the same.

So, however you go about changing the method of the pull, the resulting "force times distance" will always be the same. So, you can make a short stiff pull or a long light pull or something in between. You have to decide what you want.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Look around here on Deep Blue and in The Workshop: Jack+Coke, myself, and some others were toying with the idea of changing the point where the sear pin connects to the sear. It was determined a 0-30% decrease in pull length was possible, but in exchange you would get a 0-30% increase in pull weight which would make the benefits of the shorter pull limited (and actually I have a way to potentially get a 70-80% reduction in pull distance but it involves major work and isn't definite). I still go by the theory if it's not light enough to walk then it's better to use a two finger pull with a shorter distance but it got shot down pretty hard, and in any industry the majority is the market you need to aim at. Plus, Nicad's idea is dominant and paintball is definitely a sport where people are happy to spend money so the cost differences are almost irrelevant. Making anything too complicated always leads to production complications/expenses and more things that can go wrong but it never hurts to keep thinking up stuff.

[RRfireblade]

The primary force in the pull of a Mag trigger is the on/off. Tripping the sear requires very little force on it's own regardlesss of how you set up the trigger sear relationship.

What you really need is a completely redesigned on/off assembly, now where can you get a completely redigned on/off assembly.............



Oh I know.........