New gun desighn

[68magOwner]

ok, here- http://www.hunt101.com/showphoto.php...=500&password=

valve is inside bolt, bolt acts as bolt and hamemr as a ram (cocer, or similar) pushed ir foreward opening the valve and sealing the chamber at teh same time, the valve is held in place by an anchor/air pine (black in pic) in theroy should be TINY, light, adn decently effiencent. any thoughts (also, if someone rips this, patents it and makes it, i really dont care, just give me a few free ones

[MagAl]

ok, here- http://www.hunt101.com/showphoto.php...=500&password=

valve is inside bolt, bolt acts as bolt and hamemr as a ram (cocer, or similar) pushed ir foreward opening the valve and sealing the chamber at teh same time, the valve is held in place by an anchor/air pine (black in pic) in theroy should be TINY, light, adn decently effiencent. any thoughts (also, if someone rips this, patents it and makes it, i really dont care, just give me a few free ones

Patent pending! really it is... No really it is *evil laugh*HehehAhahAheh*evil laugh*

[68magOwner]

hey, as long as i get one when its done man

edit- you can give me props on the idea too, made it on a long car trip (~10hrs) teammate, was with me, we were talking about how small/light the shocker was, and i said i bet i could think up a smaller/lighter desighn, who knows what will be born on teh 30hr flight to brazil im taking this sat lol

[Ityl]

How does the valve close and stay closed?

[68magOwner]

with a desighen like the RIP vavle for impulses, internal spring, or, you could have a venturi faced bolt with a spring coming from the center of bolt to the fron of the vavle while still not blocking airways

[Dayspring]

The problem with your design is that you're using a poppet type of valve, but there's no air chamber to feed it.

And putting the valve inside the bolt does what?

How do you reset the bolt? Spring? 3 way valve?

[68magOwner]

the bolt is reste by the ram (3 way could be in grip) and te valve is fed by the shaded tube that is holding it in place (air passage below, or straight from foregrip/reg)

putting the vavle inside the bolt just shrinks the overall size

[Dayspring]

Ok, if that's the case then you're chopping balls.

The ram needs to smack the poppet to open the valve against the air pressure. Since the ram also actuates the bolt, the bolt's going at the same speed as the ram/hammer.

Also, if you're feeding the valve from the bottom like you are, a poppet valve won't work. The air will be pushing up at a 90* angle to the seal, and it'll leak like a screen door on a submarine.

[Jack_Dubious]

I think this design is *roughly* like a Tippmann valve, if im not mistaken. Especially the Tippmann "E-Bolt".

JDub

[68magOwner]

Ok, if that's the case then you're chopping balls.

The ram needs to smack the poppet to open the valve against the air pressure. Since the ram also actuates the bolt, the bolt's going at the same speed as the ram/hammer.

Also, if you're feeding the valve from the bottom like you are, a poppet valve won't work. The air will be pushing up at a 90* angle to the seal, and it'll leak like a screen door on a submarine.

is the bolt in a cocker not going the same speed as the ram? And they pinch paint. Also, it could be outfitted with eyes. Any suggestions on a better vlave system? or way to seal it, like i said, i just scribbled it up on a van ride, no intentions of making it, jsut didnt see why it wouldnt work

[jwigum]

Not quite. Hopefully I don't come across as a friggin' beam of sunshine(Dayspring).

The cocker bolt does move at the same speed as the ram. They are tied together. However, they are not directly hooked to the hammer(which is what hits the valve).
This does not mean you cannot have the bolt moving at the same speed as the hammer.
The problem with that comparison is that the bolt and hammer are not tied together in a cocker, making it impossible to compare the two types of operation(one allows adjustment of cocking pressure, AND hammer force, while the other only allows one adjustment).

There are many guns that move the bolt at the same speed as the hammer. Think of every open bolt gun you've ever seen. Yeah, all of them.

68,
What you are suggesting is more akin to an intimidator or spyder, just in a different format: the bolt and hammer are joined together, and move at the same speed and time.

I think with an asymetrical delrin bolt, correct valve placement, and some planning, you could get it to work.

good luck.

[68magOwner]

68,
What you are suggesting is more akin to an intimidator or spyder, just in a different format: the bolt and hammer are joined together, and move at the same speed and time.

I think with an asymetrical delrin bolt, correct valve placement, and some planning, you could get it to work.

good luck.

ya, i was thinking, ok, timmy (actually was thinking of imp insides at teh time) is good, but not as smal as 1 tube guns (obviously) so i figgured out how to fit it in 1 tube, and this is what i came up with, but, i think dayspring is right tat te poppet vavle will not work, but i came up with a divvernt (and relatively just as small) valve desighn, i have neither the funds, nor machining equipment/skills to take on this project, if someone wants to, i can share the valve desighns with them, hit me up on AIM- xaqxke

[Thunder Bunny]

I have a variation on this. I was thinking of how to convert my brother's Phantom to semi, and I thought I could put the hammer behind the valve, tied to the bolt with a rod, but then it would become a cross between a Tippy pro-lite and SL-68.

I understand what you are getting at, but I think a spool valve would be best, and an air chamber behind the valve. I don't think the small volume of the valve would be enough to propel a paintball 250 fps.