Possibility

[mobsterboy]

Hey
I don't know if its been tried, but I was comtemplating the problems and limitations of most paintball guns and why speeds can't exceed a certain number.
Is it possible, although it would be a suped up spyder, to make a gun with a single top bolt chamber and two bottom sear chambers?
Pretty much the setup I was thinking about was a modified trigger frame with an switch alternator to trigger one side and the other, as well as a modified split bolt that slide along eachother. As the sears fire off the gun, the bolt halves would alternate, pretty much limiting the rof to the loader and your fingers. To accomplish lp, one reg hooked to an asa split, going to like a spyder lpc, only with lprs and
will finish later

[The Action Figure]

Hey
I don't know if its been tried, but I was comtemplating the problems and limitations of most paintball guns and why speeds can't exceed a certain number.

because without bounce, most people fingers can only fire say 15/16 bps

[justjoshin590]

my thoughts excactely, guns can already more than outshoot the human body, but your idea does sound interesting

[Joni]

I guess it would be able to cycle about 100 cps, since a blowback is about 50

[mobsterboy]

i'm gonna try to do some designs, but is this possible?

[Thunder Bunny]

I guess it would be able to cycle about 100 cps, since a blowback is about 50

Says who? Not being a jerk, but just asking. I keep seeing guns that use rams instaed of spring driven hammers. Why aren't there any really fast blowbacks? The blow back setup is really just a big simple ram with spring return. Is there some technical flaw that prevents it from being a performer?

[SlartyBartFast]

i'm gonna try to do some designs, but is this possible?

I'd have to say no.

The upper limitation in BPS is not the air supply, hammers, or valves. It's the loader/feed system.

The maximum BPS of a marker these days will be determined by how long in each cycle the bolt remains open and allows balls to feed.

[the electrician]

it's never as simple as just one thing.

if you take a cocker and slap an electro-frame on it, is it automatically faster?
no. the guns potential is easier to attain, easier to realize, but it is not any better than it was.

if you slap a halo on a cocker, can it automatically shoot 20+ BPS?
no. the halo will decrease the minimum needed load time, but it can't do anything about the time it takes for the bolt to open, and close.

so let's say you get the gun cycling really fast. the bolt open and close times are very low, the loader can feed extremely fast (Q-loader). but you try to go a little faster, the gun sputters, and can't do it. why? mechanically the gun is fast enough, the loader is plenty fast, but the solenoid valve cannot cylce as fast as the rest of it.

everything has to match, making one function really fast is not going to achieve any significant cps solution.

right now, I think loader technology is plenty capable. pushing paint harder and harder is not the solution.
I believe that breech design is the next step. it absorbs the most time in the cycle as of now. a design that let's the paint enter the breech sooner, and finish faster, will let all loaders feed faster. it will help all loaders realize a higher percentage of thier potential. even the revy.

[SlartyBartFast]

if you slap a halo on a cocker, can it automatically shoot 20+ BPS?
no. the halo will decrease the minimum needed load time, but it can't do anything about the time it takes for the bolt to open, and close.

I guess I wasn't clear enough. I said it was the loader/feed system that was the bottleneck to higher BPS. That would include the breech and bolt design and the cycle.

The proposed change wouldn't have any effect on how fast balls could be fed so would therefor not help in anyway to increase the BPS. The spyder can already cycle at very high speeds, but you can't get paint into the breech when it is cycling too fast.