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[MANN]

Sounds like somebody has some authority figure issues. Police officers are human, some are good some are bad, get over it.

Most of the people I knew that thought like that usually got in trouble cause they thought they were above the law.

I dont have any problem with authority. I just dont like people who abuse their power, dont do their job, and are lazy.

[oneworld]

well i live in a town with 5,000 people, the cops here think there the LAPD or SWAT team..they dont have anything better to but follow kids around, one follwed me for 9 minutes and 23 seconds (timed him) before i relized i was on my crotch rocket and lost him.( they will not mess with you at all)i go 75 in a 40 here all the time, and passed 2 cops and they point to slow down, and move on.


ive also had a ticket for going 97 in a 75 with my car, the cops arent stupid, they can get past the fuzzbuster. there is no way to avoid it, if your gonna speed be prepared to deal with the tickets and insane insurance rates. im 17 and pay over 200 a month on just insurance, thats with 5 tickets.

[paintballwannab]

Sounds like somebody has some authority figure issues. Police officers are human, some are good some are bad, get over it.

Most of the people I knew that thought like that usually got in trouble cause they thought they were above the law.

I kinda agree with that but don't, I have issues with cops but only the ones that don't follow the same laws they are supose to enforce. If they do no have their lights on they are supose to follow all of the same traffic laws correct? I've seen ohio state patrol speeding down the road just driving around, I've seen local cops kick their lights on to get through a red light and then turn them off as soon as they get past the red light. I know a few officiers that speed all the time but never get a ticket because they are officiers.

Now I know when they are speeding or breaking the laws sometimes its for good reason, I.E. getting behind a speeder, before kicking lights on, but that pisses me off the most when they break and get away with the laws they're supose to enforce. Again this is not all cops, just things I've seen while driving around.


Also I've got pulled over and tickted for 2Mph over, WTF? talk about someone being pissy.
Judge through it out though said there is a +/-3mph allowence from the posted speed limit.

[acropilot19]

Typical cop response. Problem is they are always there when you dont need them, and never when you do.

Prime example here.

Cops are not above the law. If they pull you over do not allow them to search your car regardless. Dont answer any questions. You should also always keep a voice recorder in your car for this reason.

You have every right not to answer questions, but that will just lead to further inquiry by me. I dont need your permission to search your vehicle. If I have Probable Cause to believe that a crime has been, is about to, or is in the process of being commited, that is all I need. The PC to stop does not have to be the reason I search. If you buzz by me & my radar goes Kablooey, guess what, I'm in your car. If while in your car looking for said jamming device I happen to find further PC (smell weed, see an empty shell casing, whatever) I get to dig deeper, and start pulling panels.
Now before any of you go civil-rights ape- on me, heres the check and balance...
The courts (and every flippin personal claims lawyer in the world) are on your side and ready to defend you and rip me a new one. I MUST be able to articulate the reason for the stop and search in a court of law. If I cant, you go free, and i get bad things done to me.
Its really not a process I enjoy, and I wish people would just slow down, not drive with drugs in their system, or just do really stupid things in front of me, but it happens all the time.
And the game goes on...

[acropilot19]

well i live in a town with 5,000 people, the cops here think there the LAPD or SWAT team..they dont have anything better to but follow kids around, one follwed me for 9 minutes and 23 seconds (timed him) before i relized i was on my crotch rocket and lost him.( they will not mess with you at all)i go 75 in a 40 here all the time, and passed 2 cops and they point to slow down, and move on.


ive also had a ticket for going 97 in a 75 with my car, the cops arent stupid, they can get past the fuzzbuster. there is no way to avoid it, if your gonna speed be prepared to deal with the tickets and insane insurance rates. im 17 and pay over 200 a month on just insurance, thats with 5 tickets.

We'll be seein' this kid's obituary in the paper soon. i have lost count of the number immature drivers with no skillz and a lead foot that i get to meet at their accident scene. Get a fast bike, think you know how to ride, crash. The only part that bothers me is when they hurt other people because of their stupidity.

[MoeMag]

BTW radar jammers... you will have the FCC on your rear. They dont take that kind of stuff lightly.

[FactsOfLife]

nuff said


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[Lohman446]

the cops arent stupid, they can get past the fuzzbuster. there is no way to avoid it, if your gonna speed be prepared to deal with the tickets and insane insurance rates..

I know a few people who routinely travel well in excess of the speed limits, have cars mechanicaly sound enough to do it (and routinely inspect them for said soundness), and the ability to do it safely. Guess what, they have that same attitude.

There are many cars out there, that with an experienced driver can safely exceed the speed limit (and I'm not just talking make / model comparisons). There are many out there that, due to mechanical issues, should not be driven on the road at any speed.

[acropilot19]

I know a few people who routinely travel well in excess of the speed limits, have cars mechanicaly sound enough to do it (and routinely inspect them for said soundness), and the ability to do it safely. Guess what, they have that same attitude.

There are many cars out there, that with an experienced driver can safely exceed the speed limit (and I'm not just talking make / model comparisons). There are many out there that, due to mechanical issues, should not be driven on the road at any speed.

99% of drivers out there CANNOT handle vehicles at high speeds (50+ mph) in emergency situations, and the few that can are usually surrounded by the rest that cant. And everyone Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, dont pretend you're one of the 1% that can, cause you're not.

"...and the ability to do it safely." ??? By that I hope you mean on a racetrack, 'cause if you're talkin' on the public roads, thats the biggest laugh I've heard yet.

I dont mean to get personal, but unless you've seen what I see every day, you guys are talking out your A**.
-Acro

P.s. Bring it on, I dig lively debate, but I hope you guys take what i'm saying to heart. If theres one thing I really hate about my job, its going to accident scenes were people get hurt. I do it ALOT. And 99.999% of them are driver error.

[FactsOfLife]

99% of drivers out there CANNOT handle vehicles at high speeds (50+ mph) in emergency situations, and the few that can are usually surrounded by the rest that cant. And everyone Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, dont pretend you're one of the 1% that can, cause you're not.

"...and the ability to do it safely." ??? By that I hope you mean on a racetrack, 'cause if you're talkin' on the public roads, thats the biggest laugh I've heard yet.

I dont mean to get personal, but unless you've seen what I see every day, you guys are talking out your A**.
-Acro

P.s. Bring it on, I dig lively debate, but I hope you guys take what i'm saying to heart. If theres one thing I really hate about my job, its going to accident scenes were people get hurt. I do it ALOT. And 99.999% of them are driver error.

well said.

I speed on highways when and if the conditions allow it. I usually max over at ten to fifteen if the weather and traffic are good. if there's any kind of negatives I drive with what traffic bears.


I drive a WRX that is slavishly maintained and have several racing schools under my belt and a couple of years of kart racing as well. I'm probably way above the norm as far as skills go. But if the conditions don't warrant it, I don't push it on the road.

save the racing for the racetrack where you aren't going to impact someone else's life.

[Lohman446]

99% of drivers out there CANNOT handle vehicles at high speeds (50+ mph) in emergency situations, and the few that can are usually surrounded by the rest that cant. And everyone Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, dont pretend you're one of the 1% that can, cause you're not.

"...and the ability to do it safely." ??? By that I hope you mean on a racetrack, 'cause if you're talkin' on the public roads, thats the biggest laugh I've heard yet.

I dont mean to get personal, but unless you've seen what I see every day, you guys are talking out your A**.
-Acro

P.s. Bring it on, I dig lively debate, but I hope you guys take what i'm saying to heart. If theres one thing I really hate about my job, its going to accident scenes were people get hurt. I do it ALOT. And 99.999% of them are driver error.

My problem with that attitude is simple. Assuming mechanical soundness (which far too many cars on the road do not have) the standard "answers" assume all cars are created equal.

Although I respect your opinion, you're giving yourself "expertise" I doubt you have when you assume you have some incredible level of knowledge over the rest of us, even given your profession.

Let me ask you this. Assuming all other things being equal and some competence in driving... if my Taurus is safe at 70MPH (the speed limit here) is the max speed my Camaro (in exceptional mechanical condition, speed rated VERY good tires, etc) can be safely driven at 70MPH as well?

Or, let me phrase it this way. A trained and experienced officer leaves the police station after driving his unmarked Crown Victoria and gets in his personal Volvo S80. Assume comparable maintenance on both. Is the S80 capable of safely sustaining speeds the Crown Victoria (or whatever) is not?

Now, I'm not going to include myself in the minority who can safely drive in excess of the speed limit. However, I am going to agree its a minority, while questioning your 1% theory.

[billybob_81067]

99% of drivers out there CANNOT handle vehicles at high speeds (50+ mph) in emergency situations, and the few that can are usually surrounded by the rest that cant. And everyone Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, dont pretend you're one of the 1% that can, cause you're not.

"...and the ability to do it safely." ??? By that I hope you mean on a racetrack, 'cause if you're talkin' on the public roads, thats the biggest laugh I've heard yet.

I dont mean to get personal, but unless you've seen what I see every day, you guys are talking out your A**.
-Acro

P.s. Bring it on, I dig lively debate, but I hope you guys take what i'm saying to heart. If theres one thing I really hate about my job, its going to accident scenes were people get hurt. I do it ALOT. And 99.999% of them are driver error.

Have you got credible resources for these percentages?

[MANN]

I believe that I am in the 1% of great drivers. After all I have been to many driving school classes. On a serious note I have been driving since I was 14 (leagaly. am 23 now), and have had 0 accidents. That is if you dont count the drunk driver that smashed into me at a red light (I was sitting still).

The speed limit imo is set for someone who is 90 years old, on the brink of loosing thier vision, and driving a volskwagon. My speed limit that I can "safely" handle my car/motorcycle is twice theirs.

Just FYI my great grandmother had her drivers license untill 91 IIRC (she also had a volskwagon). We took away her car/keys shortly after as we were afraid for her life and others.

The problem is not so much with speeding cars as it is with bad drivers. If you want safer roads get the bad drivers off the road instead of handing out speeding tickets.

I have nothing against you pilot, and respect/honor most police in general. I will always watch my back when they are arround as I have recieved the short end of the stick more than once.

Either way get a belltonics and it will save you $$. Another great way to keep from getting tickets is by always watching your rearview mirror. I can spot a crown vic just by its headlights. It seems alot of police around here like to pace you. Spotting them coming always helps.

[acropilot19]

My problem with that attitude is simple. Assuming mechanical soundness (which far too many cars on the road do not have) the standard "answers" assume all cars are created equal.

Although I respect your opinion, you're giving yourself "expertise" I doubt you have when you assume you have some incredible level of knowledge over the rest of us, even given your profession.

Let me ask you this. Assuming all other things being equal and some competence in driving... if my Taurus is safe at 70MPH (the speed limit here) is the max speed my Camaro (in exceptional mechanical condition, speed rated VERY good tires, etc) can be safely driven at 70MPH as well?

Or, let me phrase it this way. A trained and experienced officer leaves the police station after driving his unmarked Crown Victoria and gets in his personal Volvo S80. Assume comparable maintenance on both. Is the S80 capable of safely sustaining speeds the Crown Victoria (or whatever) is not?

Now, I'm not going to include myself in the minority who can safely drive in excess of the speed limit. However, I am going to agree its a minority, while questioning your 1% theory.

okay...
The weak link is usually not the car, its the driver. Granted not all cars are created equal, BUT, the laws of Physics apply equally to all objects. Most cars are built with the same basic components. The Failure I run into in almost every situation is the lack of understanding of even BASIC vehicular dynamics by most drivers. Take Inertia- Objects at rest, and objects in motion, blah, blah, blah. You must understand that vehicle propulsion & directional control are dependent on the friction, or grip, between the tires and the roadway surface. Cars are specifically designed to maneuver with a certain "coefficient" of friction in mind, ie-good tires and a stable roadway surface (rubber & asphalt). Chang just one of these factors, and you are now a "Test Pilot".

Easy example: Rain. Wet roadway=reduction in friction. Acceleration, deceleration, and steering control are reduced dramatically. Knowing this,do people slow down when it rains? HECK NO! So now we have a problem with either Ignorance or Stupidity (i go with both). A competent driver must know and understand this dynamic, and modify their driving accordingly.

Example: Those mini-spare tires or "Doughnuts". put one of those on your car, and you are now OUT of the acceleration/deceleration/suspension geometry envelope. Test Pilot. Do people drive differently with these on their car? Nope.

Example: Dirt/Gravel roadway surface (freeway shoulders). Similar to water=reduction in friction. I cant count how many times I've made enforcement stops where the violator makes a bee-line for the dirt shoulder and hits it 60mph plus. Can you say "SPINOUT"?

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[MANN]

Easy example: Rain. Wet roadway=reduction in friction. Acceleration, deceleration, and steering control are reduced dramatically. Knowing this,do people slow down when it rains? HECK NO! So now we have a problem with either Ignorance or Stupidity (i go with both). A competent driver must know and understand this dynamic, and modify their driving accordingly.

So when it is not raining can I drive faster? the speed limit is for "those conditions"