We all know Al Gore is liar..

[Anjin3515]

And many of the studies that contradict global warming are being paid for....wait....by energy and oil companies.

I'm not pro or con the theories on global warming.
I'm not pro or con Al Gore.

It was and is not my intention to debate global warming....there are too many fishy things on BOTH sides of the argument. BOTH sides have an agenda they want pushed through.

I was just stating my opinion that a judge making the decision on scientific issues strikes me as scary.

[LK-13]

funny,
in 1975 during the energy crisis,
the exact same evidence about atmospheric gas contamination was being used to convince
people that the world was going into another global ice age.

gasses blotting out the sun cooling the planet....



it's all just lip service and full of crap !

[RogueFactor]

And many of the studies that contradict global warming are being paid for....wait....by energy and oil companies.

I'm not pro or con the theories on global warming.
I'm not pro or con Al Gore.

It was and is not my intention to debate global warming....there are too many fishy things on BOTH sides of the argument. BOTH sides have an agenda they want pushed through.

I was just stating my opinion that a judge making the decision on scientific issues strikes me as scary.

Red= So true.

[bornl33t]

So oil companies are pushing against global warming...who then is pushing for global warming and stands to gain from this? Possibly Americas Socialist party?

[RogueFactor]

So oil companies are pushing against global warming...who then is pushing for global warming and stands to gain from this? Possibly Americas Socialist party?

I dont know which is worse...Socialish, or Fascism.

[trevorjk]

you cant deny that with all politics, lying, BS, agendas, and everything evil aside. the whole global warming push HAS and STILL is making this world a "greener" place. and that IS a good thing.

minus the weaktit 4 banger cars that get 40 mpg now - weak cars = never a good thing

[MANN]

you cant deny that with all politics, lying, BS, agendas, and everything evil aside. the whole global warming push HAS and STILL is making this world a "greener" place. and that IS a good thing.

minus the weaktit 4 banger cars that get 40 mpg now - weak cars = never a good thing

Explain how we are making it "greener" It has been proven that the amount of polution from a toyota hybrid(dont remember which model) is 3 times greater than a Hummer H2. People dont see the hidden cost of producing these "green products" Everyone looks, and says "46mpg must be energy conservant". This is NOT always true.

Im not saying we should not try to conserve our enviornment, but this should not get as much attention as it does. There are many other topics that should be taken care of before mandating some of these emission controls.

[Anjin3515]

LOL...its funny to see people get so HEATED over a scientific debate.

As I said BOTH sides have an agenda here.

I think its actually sad that its become a political thing.

Global warming theories...SHOULD stay in the realm of scientific debate. But, since both sides have an agenda , it has entered the political debate....and thats bad for science, bad for finding the truth.

Instead of researches and scientists debating, discovering, revising, correcting, figuring out the issue....you know maybe actually using the scientific method we all learned in high school...they have become embroiled in th politics of it. That brings the real search for truth to a grinding halt.

BOTH sides are feeding you lines,playing on your fears, manipulating you.

But let me reiterate again...my original comments were not about global warming per say,that just happens to be the issue here, my original comments were that its a scary thing when a judge dictates science.

[trevorjk]

Explain how we are making it "greener" It has been proven that the amount of polution from a toyota hybrid(dont remember which model) is 3 times greater than a Hummer H2. People dont see the hidden cost of producing these "green products" Everyone looks, and says "46mpg must be energy conservant". This is NOT always true.

Im not saying we should not try to conserve our enviornment, but this should not get as much attention as it does. There are many other topics that should be taken care of before mandating some of these emission controls.

the car segment was a side affect thing i hated i know some cars are far more damaging to the enviroment then others ect ect.

but the awareness of a "greener" planet has ALOT of people in various industries trying to come up with the next cleanest thing. from industrial use to citizen use. objects, cars machines ect ect

sure the changes are happening fairly slowely at the moment but in the next 5-10 years? our cars might be producing pure drinking water as we drive down the freeway. LINK its all a matter of when the prices of these "greener" things become affordable to the average citizen before any major progress will be made in making all things "green"


Also, MANN i was told you might be able to hook me up with a RT Sear axle pin :)

[Anjin3515]

Explain how we are making it "greener" It has been proven that the amount of polution from a toyota hybrid(dont remember which model) is 3 times greater than a Hummer H2. People dont see the hidden cost of producing these "green products" Everyone looks, and says "46mpg must be energy conservant". This is NOT always true.

Im not saying we should not try to conserve our enviornment, but this should not get as much attention as it does. There are many other topics that should be taken care of before mandating some of these emission controls.

I totally agree that there are "hidden costs" to some "green products". Thats BS for a company to push something as "green" while behind the curtain the product causes more enviromental harm.

Not to speak for trevorjk...but I think what he was saying was that....by havening global warming an issue in the public eye, it makes us all more conscious about the environment and how we treat it. Which has in turn lead to people trying to be more "green"
EDIT: and I see as I posted this trevorjk has already clarified himself.

[Dark Side]

Explain how we are making it "greener" It has been proven that the amount of polution from a toyota hybrid(dont remember which model) is 3 times greater than a Hummer H2. People dont see the hidden cost of producing these "green products" Everyone looks, and says "46mpg must be energy conservant". This is NOT always true.

Im not saying we should not try to conserve our enviornment, but this should not get as much attention as it does. There are many other topics that should be taken care of before mandating some of these emission controls.

I remember reading the same about most of the Hybrid models. With everything the plants must do to bring them into production to the point were these cars are being crushed the hybrids use more energy than a typical SUV.

[MANN]

Also, MANN i was told you might be able to hook me up with a RT Sear axle pin :)

If you would have asked me last week I could help you out. I only have 2 or 3 left, and I am keeping them for projects that I am working on.

[warbeak2099]

Not to speak for trevorjk...but I think what he was saying was that....by havening global warming an issue in the public eye, it makes us all more conscious about the environment and how we treat it. Which has in turn lead to people trying to be more "green"

It has also encouraged increased participation by masses of idiots in pseudo-science. Group think, no matter how good some of the results are, is never desirable. Sorry, but brainwashing is just not good no matter what the situation. Al Gore has actually conditioned impressionable people into believing the crap that comes out of his mouth. Do you even comprehend how dangerous that is?

Hitler conditioned the majority of the German people to believe his principles. At first it seemed like his methods were actually helping Germany recover. It didn't matter that people were being brainwashed, the ends justified the means! But oh wait, later on people started realizing that their tax dollars were supporting death camps and extermination squads. They had been living right next to these camps but because of the massive group think that they were a part of, they denied it could be real.

I'm not saying that Al Gore is Hitler, but it's dangerous for anyone to have that kind of power over a large group of people. Especially when he is expunging fallacies from his huge trap.