Mexican Immigration

[bleachit]

However, as stated previously, Mexicans are not the only ones coming here illegally. People from just about ever nation south of us are.

but how are they getting here? my guess would be that large border we share with mexico and not the Gulf of Texas ( ) or going around mexico through the pacific.

If we fix the problem at the Mexican border, I would guess a lot of the illegal immigration from the south would be hampered greatly.

[RavishingEddie]

I am an Immigrant

Hello everyone,

I would just like to point out that I infact was once an illegal immigrant. Yes, my father came here with a Student/workers Visa from Peru. Not illegal but became illegal once he decided to stay here. Fortunately I was a light skinned baby and was easily passed over as a white american couples baby as they came back from the border after visiting Mexico. My mom met with 3 other ladies down in Mexico and a young white guy met them there with a pretty nice convertible. He put my mom on the passengers side and had the other two ladies stuffed in the trunk. They both made lots of $$$.

So what did I learn from all of this? It's alot more involved than some poor Mexicans crossing the border. But I am not some guy pounding my chest because I was born a citizen from first or fourth generation immigrants, no I am very much american because I served my country in the Navy and I salute all my service men out there giving their life for us.

I am not here to point fingers or to defend something that is wrong. I just find it strange how so many people have forgotten what has gotten us here.

Does anyone remember the 6 billion proposition that passed for Stem Cell research? You know the one were they use 6 billion of OUR California money instead of the Pharmeceutical (sp) companies money to fund for a research that they will turn around and charge us top $$$ if they find a cure. Did anyone ever remember the 30 billion dollar deficit california was in already?
Does anyone remember that Compton city scandal about those members in charge that stole hundreds of thousands that was for the city.
How about the lady that know that is a legal US citizen. She works for the Social Security office and has given her retired parents social security. They never laid a working finger in this country and currently are overseas but are taking my social security money.

Hey lets forget all that and blame the Mexicans instead. They are the evil ones like Al Qaeda.
Lets fight for American freedom! and endorse an Illegal war!
Billions and billions of dollars are spent everyday, but it will go all away if we get rid of Mexicans or even better lets create a government database system that monitors everyone living in the US. It will contain everything you need to know about that person and thus you could end illegal immigration and crime as well. Don't like the idea? Don't vote for Guliani.

They hide the truth and pretend to want to end illegal immigration so that we can turn our heads away from them and focus our anger on something else. Just like Hitler did with the Jews.

[wetwrks]

So lets put this in perspective...If one were to take all of this at face value, ie. illegal immigration from mexico is hurting the US, what could be the reason our government is not putting a plan into action to remedy the suituation?

The republicans want to do something about it but aren't able to do much as the democrats try and block it. That and the republicans don't want to lose the few votes they get from the citizen relatives of the illegals.

The democrats don't want to do anything about it as they get massive votes directly because of the illegals.

The electoral college gives each state a certain number of votes based on that states population. The population is based on the sensus which doesn't count just citizens but the total number of people. As California has a huge illegal population they get the vast number of electoral votes. The citizens there vote mainly democrat thus the democrats get all of Californias electoral votes.

[Altimas]

First of Ravishing thank you for your service to our country and for the sacrifices you made in doing that I salute you.

Unfortunately what you said made little sense at all and was very hard to follow. Are you an actual legal immigrant now? If so, you are the type of immigrant the system was created for. It was created for people who wanted to legaly enter the country and become U.S. Citizens, not Mexican-Americans or African-Americans or Irish-Americans, just Americans. The continuous waves of illegal immigrants are going to cost the nation more in the long run than if they come up with a much stricter border patrol and facilitate deportation of illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are placing unnecesary strain on our law enforcement and are significantly causing rise in the cost of healthcare. Furthermore they are not putting any money back in to the system by way of taxes and/or by way of sending money back to relatives in their country. They are a drain on our society and if they truly wish to become citizens they would do it legally.

Whether you realize it or not this is one of the most defining issues facing our generation, because if we let this go much farther it will lead to a place we cannot fix.

[RavishingEddie]

First of Ravishing thank you for your service to our country and for the sacrifices you made in doing that I salute you.

Unfortunately what you said made little sense at all and was very hard to follow. Are you an actual legal immigrant now? If so, you are the type of immigrant the system was created for. It was created for people who wanted to legaly enter the country and become U.S. Citizens, not Mexican-Americans or African-Americans or Irish-Americans, just Americans. The continuous waves of illegal immigrants are going to cost the nation more in the long run than if they come up with a much stricter border patrol and facilitate deportation of illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are placing unnecesary strain on our law enforcement and are significantly causing rise in the cost of healthcare. Furthermore they are not putting any money back in to the system by way of taxes and/or by way of sending money back to relatives in their country. They are a drain on our society and if they truly wish to become citizens they would do it legally.

Whether you realize it or not this is one of the most defining issues facing our generation, because if we let this go much farther it will lead to a place we cannot fix.

Sorry if my tone was a little misleading. I am a US citizen. I do not support illegal immigration. I am against it because I am an American that is against anything that would strain my country.
I was raised and every bit american as the person next door. I have worked in places were they payed me very little and the majority were mexicans. But I had no choice because I was a teen and needed money for college. So I know first hand how it feels. But I cannot point my finger and start accusing when I am also an immigrant eventhough I was too young to remember.

I do not support minutemen militias that shoot innocent people like if they were animals or large populations of illegal immigrants either. It is a hard issue when you deport parents of US born children. What ethical reasoning could we use in this situation?

What we should do is impose sanctions on Mexico like we do with Arab countries that house foreign fighters. I mean if something is really hurting your country wouldn't you impose a sanction or fix it as soon as possible?

The other thing I hear is how they get on wellfare. My parents never got on wellfare even in the hardest times, because they were embarrased. I get mad when a white or black man asks me for money knowing they are on wellfare while the illegal immigrant selling oranges doesn't have the legality of getting welfare.

America isn't trying to get rid of illegal immigration. If they wanted they really could and we wouldn't have this joke of minutemen militias that cost the US government nothing.

[Pneumagger]

I don't think pepole are pissed at the illegal immigrants so much as they are at the US policy.

Illegals are basically entering the country and once they are in here it's like a free pass. They enjoy every right and amenity of being a citizen and then some more on top of that. They get insurance, free ER medical coverage, drivers liscences, free education... heck, I wanna know how I can become an illegal immigrant. And then, to top it all off, do the immigrants look to be a useful part of the economy? No... a majority of them live together to split costs send a vast majority of their paychecks back home. I've seen this in Cleveland Ohio - I can't imagine living near a border.

Ravishingeddie... congratz on doing it the right way and becoming American... not using America.

[Aggravated Assault]

Ravishing-

I haven't heard of anyone associated with the minuteman project shooting people they believe are crossong the border illegally. Is there any way you could link me to a source or article? If that's true, I cant believe I missed it on the national news...


I don't think the majority of people think this is the only or biggest problem facing america, but it is a problem, and should have been addressed a long time ago...

There's got to be some solution out there that would be enforcable, not "break the bank", and be acceptable to the majority.

[Pneumagger]

There's got to be some solution out there that would be enforcable, not "break the bank", and be acceptable to the majority.

Your problem is highlighted.

It's great to be humanitarian and all but at some point you have to uphold the laws of legally entering this country. Our leaders need to not worry about offending the immigrants entering, the immigrants that have already entered, and the left wing hippies protesting anti-immigration action. As far as I'm concerned only the opinions of legal citizens should matter and you can't really hurt those people's feelings - they'll find something new to protest tomorrow.
I really am stunned at the medias acceptance and positive portrayal of the illegal immigrant marches and organizations.

[NU_METAL]

Americans, especially the politicians and media, are reluctant to be politically incorrect or (God forbid) offend somebody. They want to appear humanitarian and BFFs to everybody.

Frankly I'm sick of touchy-feely anti-offensive feel-good legislation and policies. The American delusion in it's pious existence is killing this country from the inside out. That's why I'm voting for Ron Paul in '08. Say what you want about the man, but he's the only one listening to the people... not playing to the media. In the end it may kill his campaign, but he has my vote.
I feel bad for the guy too... he's the only in the running who "gets it".

i dont think i could have said that better,......well put

[geekwarrior]

So lets put this in perspective...If one were to take all of this at face value, ie. illegal immigration from mexico is hurting the US, what could be the reason our government is not putting a plan into action to remedy the situation?

because both parties see illegals as a chance to gain voters.

that and as mentioned, business. its cheap labor for big businesses (all about the bottom dollar), which in turn lobby for their support.

[MichaelMcKen]

Americans, especially the politicians and media, are reluctant to be politically incorrect or (God forbid) offend somebody. They want to appear humanitarian and BFFs to everybody.

Frankly I'm sick of touchy-feely anti-offensive feel-good legislation and policies. The American delusion in it's pious existence is killing this country from the inside out. That's why I'm voting for Ron Paul in '08. Say what you want about the man, but he's the only one listening to the people... not playing to the media. In the end it may kill his campaign, but he has my vote.
I feel bad for the guy too... he's the only in the running who "gets it".

I'm with you, Pnue.

Ron Paul is the man.

[Aggravated Assault]

Your problem is highlighted.

It's great to be humanitarian and all but at some point you have to uphold the laws of legally entering this country. Our leaders need to not worry about offending the immigrants entering, the immigrants that have already entered, and the left wing hippies protesting anti-immigration action. As far as I'm concerned only the opinions of legal citizens should matter and you can't really hurt those people's feelings - they'll find something new to protest tomorrow.
I really am stunned at the medias acceptance and positive portrayal of the illegal immigrant marches and organizations.

I do agree, that is a problem. But to get anything done, the solution (or implementing steps toward one), must be acceptible to enough american voters to get it done.

The reason I say this, is because it seems pressure on our representives is the only way to even get it to their attention. I don't feel confident our elected officials will do anything of the sort unless pressured. Part of the problem (IMHO) is dubya pushing for amnesty, or something so close it makes no difference. Congress may make policy, but this president has set the tone that we need amnesty.

Nothing stuns me about the media. Just looking for news to sell. Easier to cash in on a controversy, so they do their best to polarize the issue. and do it so PC it makes me want to puke. migrant workers? undocumented immigrants?

[bornl33t]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that America from a macro economic perspective the US can't help all of Mexico "better them selfs". We have a system in place to allow "enough" immigrants into the US. Any more and we start with a whole line of problems that have been pooping up for the past 15-20 years.
Fixing symptoms isn't going to keep our economy alive. We need to start with heart surgury... sooon.

Ron Paul for the third.

[Killer V]

I can almost guarantee the next civil war will be over this topic. All it will take is 1 protest getting out of control before all hell breaks loose. I can see it now marshall law........That's why I have an AK in the closet....

[Pneumagger]

I can almost guarantee the next civil war will be over this topic. All it will take is 1 protest getting out of control before all hell breaks loose. I can see it now marshall law........That's why I have an AK in the closet....

marshal law... authorities show up and take your weapons. You may or may not ever get them back.
Think this is absurd? That is EXACTLY what they did during hurricane Katrina... and that was just a natural disaster.
Unfortunately for me, some of my firearms are registerd and some are Class III/NFA. They know exactly where to find mine.
(I'll still be hidin' one somewhere though for when they leave)