Do we need a major change

[ThePixelGuru]

Oh good god. Lohman, you are quite the troll. When I posted my poll, I posted options that I thought most closely represented the actual views of the people who would click them. Here, you post two options designed to get people to click the one you want. First, you try to get all the "I don't care" types to look like they support your side ("I don't care" isn't "AO is fine," just like kosmo said). Second, you make it look like the people who disagree with you are some crazy "fight the man" types. I got news for you. We're not. If I could tell you about the job I do for the local police department, you'd understand that. Unfortunately, this argument isn't worth my job and my reputation, so I won't do that. Suffice to say that I realize firsthand the need for clear rules, and I also realize the need for equal enforcement of them. You don't seem to get that.

You're trying to make us out to be something we aren't here. We don't think AO is horrible, we don't think it needs some gigantic, drastic change. You keep dragging terms like "Berlin Wall" in, even though I've said time and time again it's not important to our argument and it's just a damn analogy. A manifesto is a public statement of policy and intent, noting more. You're trying to make us out to be some whacko "fight the system" extremists when all we want is small, reasonable change on a message board. You're using these tactics of twisting the character of the people behind the arguments instead of debating the actual issues at hand. All we want is changes that even you agree should be made - how is this so hard? Posting this poll lets you pretend there are other issues at play here, and pretend that we're still wrong and you're still right. It's amazing what you can accomplish by misrepresenting intent and issue.

[Lohman446]

You're poll misrepresented the way your stance as badly as this one does. Pot meet kettle. PS - tell me where I'm wrong. I agreed that some changes may need made. I simply pointed out that some of you are taking this way out of hand.

[SCpoloRicker]

Must.. not.. post... Serious Cat...

[ThePixelGuru]

You're poll misrepresented the way your stance as badly as this one does. Pot meet kettle. PS - tell me where I'm wrong. I agreed that some changes may need made. I simply pointed out that some of you are taking this way out of hand.

I find it really hard to believe that you actually need this pointed out to you, but let's pretend you really don't get it.

If you'd wanted to ask whether people wanted change on AO, you would have posted simple poll options like "Yes, AO needs change," "I don't care," and "No, AO doesn't need change." You wouldn't have injected your bias into the situation with phrases like "Down with the man. Fight the system." That's not what we're arguing here, and you know it. But by making it seem like that's what we're saying, you can paint us as whacko and extreme and get people who just pop in for a second to see us that way and throw their support behind you. My poll had options like "No, I disagree with the Manifesto" for people to flat out tell me I'm wrong and state their own options, rather than having to accept me putting words in their mouths in order to have a say in my poll. My poll had an option for people that just didn't care, as opposed to assuming that everyone that doesn't care agrees with me. The only thing you did better in your poll was to make it public, so that 17 people who disagree with you don't show up in the span of an hour to skew your poll.

You know damn well what you're doing and how you misrepresent the opinions of everyone to make your side of the debate easier to swallow. It's pretty obvious to people like me who have seen you do this in various threads for years. I can only hope it's as obvious to everyone else.

[nmib]

Must.. not.. post... Serious Cat...

[drg]

I just LOVE that cat ...

[nmib]

On a even more serious note... If serious cat wasnt serious enough.

let things quiet down on AO

Good idea Lohman.

[SCpoloRicker]

nmib:

[Target Practice]

You know that feeling when you get back from a vacation and you take your first crap in your own bathroom? Yeah.

Morning Gents.

[Spider-TW]

I believe you have been disenfranchised of your vote and should call your congressman.

You can check both boxes so you won't be left out. Although, one of the boxes doesn't seem to uncheck as fast as the other. I think it has some chad stuck in it.

[dave p]

all i see is a lot of self importance, and people putting some kind of importance on things that are not important at all. get over yourselves, its just a forum.
to all those who place some kind of importance on their membership or contribution i say this:
no one cares if you are here or not
no one cares about your opinion
if this place is gone tomorrow, no one really cares
you dont own it
you dont pay for it
who cares?
its the internet.
the ignore feature works wonders
actually, this place may stand to benefit if some of you dissappear.
if info or parts are needed, there are other places to get them. there are plenty of resources on the main part of the site. the forum is almost, if not completely unneccesary. get rid of it.