I gurantee you that there is already a four link kit for that model. Just remember, if you build it yourself then your rig will be down for a couple of weeks while you build and that you will have to do some trial and error stuff, but if you buy a kit all that stuff is done and all you do is put it in your rig. Your rig might be down a weekend if that.
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I can't do anything for a half a month or so, my jeep's in Ohio and I'm in MD.
I PMed the guy just now about that half-spring pack suspension, though, so hopefully he'll send me some websites or something.
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Not necessarily, if you have the right tools and are prepared enough, a rear suspension can be easily put together in a weekend. Now if its your first one, and you dont have help from someone with experience theres no chance of getting it done that quick.Originally posted by sandfreestyle
I helped a guy put together a front suspension for a suzuki samari. 4 link with a panhard bar and coils. Went from bar and flat stock to a front suspension in 2 days. It would have been just one day, but I spent about 4 hours explaining things he was doing wrong.
The key is to take your time and work methodically. Mistakes take longer to fix than the planning it takes to do it right the first time.
Help is usually easy to find if you supply the beer
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On pirate, youre likely to get told to bug off and use the search.
Btw there is a large amount of material on that suspension if you do search.
No, the trailer ball suspension is like it sounds. Tractor links are different.
Trailer balls and bulldog hitches. 1 link
shop build with ellipticalsI was searching through some threads tonight, well this morning and found on about using eliptical springs with the 1-link setup. The guys in the picture swore by them. They used full length F250 and F350 springs mounted upside down. See pictures, on the second one you can see the mounting bracket near mid vehicle on the framerail. they used a small platform, welded to the frame for the spring to rest on and to achive the desired ride height then caged the spring in. This eliminated the need for a Panhard Bar.
Here's a link
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ht=grader+ball , your thoughts?
http://www.dandcextreme.com/buildups_index.asp?pkID=4
Just beyond me
search for elliptical:
more 1 link
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WHAT....that 1 link is just a solid mounted to the axle and hitch ball mount to the frame.... that is so ghetto. Its relying on the spring packs to couteract side to side movement, but the spring packs have to be isolated from the axle with a shackle basically.
There is going to be a CRAZY amount of torque placed on the spring pack to shackle to axle connection. Maybe its just me, but I wouldnt even want to ride in something with that type of suspension.
that one u posted with the full cage is a cool setup.....guessing those are hydraulic cylinders. If I ever built a rock crawler Id build it close to that, but id drop the leaf springs and mount airbags to the bars....I'm curious to where he put his shocks.Comment
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Believe it or not, the one link works. Most people that use one link mount the ball inverted, use coils, and then use a panhard. It works fairly well.
For an AMAZING build check out this thread.
Hydraulic powered tube buggy with custom IRS and IFS with tig welded stainless stock.
It's hard for me to envision the final product but after reading through the entire thread you get the feeling this guy knows what he is doing.
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It appears to me that that only rotates. (front and back)Originally posted by Hilltop Customsohhhh, i know just what your talking about. heres a pic of the ones I was talking about. They are the best of both worlds....provides a large amount of articulation like a heim while being smoother and stronger similar to a bushing....only downfall is they are about 35.00 apiece
But they will outlast a heim by a long shot...espically on a road driven vehicle
Where as heims, they pivot all around, which is needed in offroad for suspension articulation, side to side vs not just up and down.
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Originally posted by maxama10
Your mistaken
Its basically a heim, but surrounded by rubber bushing instead of just bing metal on metal like a heim. It does look similar to a regular bushing...and actually has ride and wear qualities similar to a bushing, but it pivots the exact same as a heim.
Main problem with heims is they wear out fast and are extermely noisy. Guess that wouldnt be as big of a deal for off roaders though.
Wow that stainless rig is going to be sick when its done. Looks like its LP powered too! thats crazy.....Dont even want to think about how much he has just in the stainless, but from the looks of his setup he can afford it. Must be nice to have access to a waterjet.
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My mistake!
Yeah, I read something about frequent bulk purchases so they sell to him way under retail.
Ive been waiting forever for an update though.
Had to bookmark it
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For the one link setups they also tend to use graderballs. I don't exactly know what they are originialy intended for but seem to work perhaps better than trailer balls. I think they cost more though.
I guess my favorite thing about one links, other than simplicity, is that since you dont have different arms traveling opposite of eachother. You can take that entire piece, where the arms run from ball to axle to form an "A", and armor it with a nice piece of 1/4 plate. Slide over everything and protect your pinion/drivershaft/output etc...
So that YJ got plans for some rocks or Dana 60's yet?
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theres some faults with the 1 link that there is no way to fix. 1st the pinion angle is only correct at 1 point in the axles movement. The shorter the 1 link the worse this problem will be. 2nd your required to use a panhard bar or a watts link....and with a panhard bar you can run into some trouble keeping the axle centered with the kind of extreme travel these vehicles have. 3rd only haveing 1 point of failure kind of sucks. 4th braking and acceleration will cause the suspension to load/unload.(aka if you get on the gas hard the axle tries to twist causing the back end of the vehicle to lift.....if you brake hard the suspension will try to compress. Once again, the longer the link, the less this will be noticable) And lastly, when you flip the ball upside down the catch forms a nice little cup to hold water and grime. Once again, not a big deal for an off road vehicle, but if your putting miles on it....you will eventually get slop between the ball and catch....leading to slop and constant banging as the ball is loose in the catch.
I have no doubt that they work....its quite similar to a 2 link or traction bars. Id just rather have a propper 4 or 3 link under me.
Im not even into offroading, but i bookmarked that stainless rig buildup
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Excellent points.
Well, I think its the poor mans link suspension.
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