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  • teufelhunden
    Registered Bamf
    • Jul 2003
    • 2691

    #1

    From my cold dead hands...


    The Supreme Court says Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

    The court's 5-4 ruling strikes down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision goes further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.

    The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia.

    Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for four colleagues, said the Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home."

    In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."

    He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found."
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  • Miltonyz
    Registered User
    • Nov 2002
    • 224

    #2
    I'm suprised that it was even that close, seemed a pretty straightfoward case to me.

    I'm not sure how a court that found that protection from illegal search and seizure=right to privacy=right to an abortion could in good faith rule that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" only applies to well regulated militias.

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    • Hexis
      Green Mag Freak
      • Sep 2001
      • 2427

      #3
      Originally posted by Miltonyz
      I'm suprised that it was even that close, seemed a pretty straightfoward case to me.
      That's the problem, it's very straight forward to a lot of people, on both sides of the issue. Some read the 2nd as : "right to...", others read it as "militia has rights to...".

      I consider myself pretty moderate and while I understand folks who feel that control = less violence, I don't agree. I don't feel that the gun control laws do much if anything to stop gun violence.

      Here in Minnesota when the carry permit laws where changed from an arbitrary approval process to a standard not arbitrary process, there were dire predictions of wild west style shootings every day. None of the predictions came true.

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      • MoeMag
        Still here.
        • Dec 2005
        • 1821

        #4
        YAY!

        Handgun and rifle ban in DC is GONE!

        The PEOPLE have the RIGHT to a FIREARM.

        Thank you supreme court!

        Im gonna carry a gun today in celebration! oh wait! I ALWAYS DO AND WILL CONTINUE TO!!!

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        • pmstc
          free at last
          • Jan 2008
          • 404

          #5
          You know what? Being under 21 sucks ***.

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          • Pneumagger
            I like 'Mags.

            • Jun 2006
            • 3556

            #6
            Originally posted by pmstc
            You know what? Being under 21 sucks ***.
            Why?

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            • Spider-TW
              U R techno-literate!

              • Oct 2006
              • 3554

              #7
              I don't get Steven's comment. Firearms aside, I thought limiting government control was an issue for the Framers, like all that checks and balances stuff. Argue either side of the control, but to say there's no evidence sounds like the old Moscow directorate.

              I expect more eloquent responses from a Supreme Court Judge. Hopefully, his was truncated.

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              • MoeMag
                Still here.
                • Dec 2005
                • 1821

                #8
                Originally posted by Spider-TW
                I don't get Steven's comment. Firearms aside, I thought limiting government control was an issue for the Framers, like all that checks and balances stuff. Argue either side of the control, but to say there's no evidence sounds like the old Moscow directorate.

                I expect more eloquent responses from a Supreme Court Judge. Hopefully, his was truncated.
                Ya know I honestly didnt get that either, it seemed out of context so I read the whole thing... still dont get it.

                Originally posted by Yahoo News
                "...but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns..."
                I can only dream...

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                • pmstc
                  free at last
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 404

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pneumagger
                  Why?
                  Cant (legally) drink, or carry concealed weapons.

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                  • teufelhunden
                    Registered Bamf
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 2691

                    #10

                    "When the court decides something in a manner we like, the SCOTUS's word is bible. When they decide something we don't like, it's obviously a worthless decision and should be ignored." - Nancy Pelosi
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                    • Pneumagger
                      I like 'Mags.

                      • Jun 2006
                      • 3556

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pmstc
                      Cant (legally) drink, or carry concealed weapons.
                      Depending on where you live... you can carry openly.
                      Drinkings overrated. Absolutly necessary... but overrated

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                      [The other (pro 2nd A) Justices] would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."
                      Stevens is referring the action of "banning" as a tool for government officials.
                      He's basically saying the other justices must be mistaken in thinking that the Framers of the Constitution would limit the government's power to regulate civilian weapons.

                      Stevens is incorrect. In fact... this logic is moronic. Any 4th grader could tell you that's EXACTLY what the 2nd ammendment does.
                      The 2nd ammendment exists in case the 1st is ignored.

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                      • pmstc
                        free at last
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 404

                        #12
                        Not in Georgia, unless I'm misinterpreting the laws.
                        I'm pretty sure I can own a handgun, but I can't carry it. Which kind of defeats the purpose IMO as I don't own my own house to protect. I guess it doesn't matter anyway since I'm still living on campus... protected by nothing but oblivious security officers... yayyyyy...

                        Drinking overrated? Maybe so... but the whole illegal thing is just a huge inconvenience.

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                        • Ruler_Mark
                          AKAOG.ORG
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 2600

                          #13
                          you cant buy a handgun from a dealer until you are 21 or the bullets in FL but you can own them under 21. 21 for conceald.

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                          • LegumeOfTerror
                            Chris The Almighty
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 379

                            #14
                            Originally posted by pmstc
                            Not in Georgia, unless I'm misinterpreting the laws.
                            I'm pretty sure I can own a handgun, but I can't carry it. Which kind of defeats the purpose IMO as I don't own my own house to protect. I guess it doesn't matter anyway since I'm still living on campus... protected by nothing but oblivious security officers... yayyyyy...

                            Drinking overrated? Maybe so... but the whole illegal thing is just a huge inconvenience.
                            you can keep it in your vehicle, im fairly certain that law was passed recently in georgia. look it up to be certain though. i do that until i can get my carry permit in november,
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                            • misfit
                              www.fastbuckink.com
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 353

                              #15
                              yesterday i went to parking authority court in Philadelphia, i carried my gun with me as i do daily. when you go to "real court", the criminal justice center. they have a firearms check where you show them your permit and they show you to some lockers where you can lock your gun up and they give you a key. i know ive read before that the courts must provide such accommodations for people who legally carry. anyway i step through the door of the parking authority place and there is a security guard (not a cop) with a badge and a metal decor booth there, i ask him where the firearms check is, he asks if im a cop , i said no but i have my license to carry. he says that i cant let me in. i said that arent you required to have one, and he just says he cant let me in. maybe if i was a cop or something but not without a badge. i go and put my gun in my car which i dont like doing. anyway i go back and he lets me in. i broached the subject again about them being required to have facilities to deal with that kind of thing like the cjc has. his response was that not that many people carry guns so they dont do it. i then asked him what would i do if i had taken the bus like i intended to instead of driving there today and he said i couldnt come in. i asked doesnt that leave me kinda screwed because if i cant tell anybody what happened id miss my trial and id be found guilty in my absence. he said yea i guess you would be screwed. i wanted to talk to a superviser but by now i was running late and it wasnt worth it. but i still feel like something should be done to resolve this issue. in a similar issue i went to traffic court with my brother and they didnt have a weapons check either, the police officer had the sargent come over and check my id. i think they were going to take my gun in the back or something but the Sargent said the picture on my permit was too beat up and he couldnt accept it, even tho my drivers license info matches and the numbers on the carry license were readable. it just bugs me that in that situation it took three cops to figure out what to do. the two working the metal detector were arguing what they could do for a while then they called the sarge over. i dont like making a big deal out carrying but it happens when there are people in line and nobody knows what to do. there are rules and laws and such but it seams like i know them more then any officer i come into contact does. their response it just to shuffle you away or to somebody else so its not their problem. i dont know im kinda just ranting but its stupid. an hour ago i went to the cigar shop with my brother after eating and as soon as i walked in right next to the door there was a cop. i was wearing jeans and a t shirt the gun is covered and in a holster, but his eyes were right at my belt line as soon as i walked in the door and he saw the black of my holster sticking out a half inch below my shirt line. he asks for my permit and i give it to him. he gives it back to me and says that i should conceal it better. its by no means out or brandishing it. i kinda mumbled something like what are you going to do. my point being there is no guidelines to concealing it. most people and cops dont even notice it when they talk to me. when i got my permit they gave me a piece of paper that basically said dont do anything that would cause a commotion. thing is that different people react different to it. i know some people would yell oh my god he has a gun! its dumb its in a holster which i would automatically thing the person is at least semi responsible, as opposed to sticking it in my wastband or somthing.... who knows. i need to stop or ill rant more.

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