American Muscle.

[MagMan5446]

But now you're saying that ALL foreign cars are slow...which is not only not true, but it will turn my thread, which you like so dearly, into a flame.

[FaSSt]

the madness has gone on long enough...

OK, I just HAVE to comment on this thread. My "credentials"? Years of dragracing at the track and, allegedly, on the street (SAFE circumstances only). My nick on AO is derived form the Camaro SS that I drive.

Some observations:

1. Yes, there are some FAST Hondas or other similar imports, but

2. There are VERY few of them.

3. It does not have to be an import to be "Rice". A Neon or even a V-6 Camaro with a wing and ground effects and a noisy exhaust IS rice.

4. The proper way to spell the short term for Nitrous Oxide is NOS. But even this addition will not make MOST ricers fast.

5. Front wheel drive cars have a disadvantage when launching, because of the weight-transer away from the drive-wheels. Slicks and a stiff suspension can negate this to some extent, but slicks are a horrible bad idea on the street.

6. The fast imports you are likely to encounter are modded Supras, some Eclipses, and a few Civics. But they comprise about .1 % or less of all imports out there.

7. All else being equal, it's very hard to beat a modern domestic V8, especially bang for the buck. I'm not talking about crappy 70s smog motors or 4500 pound heavyweights here.

8. Very few things on the road will beat my car, for instance, but there have been a few modded Supras that have whopped it badly.

9. Most Vettes will not race you, as they are driven by some midlife-crisis casualty. Even when they do, convertibles are way slower than my car. (Still a rocketship compared to most ricers, however.)

10. Vipers are plain sick, and 911 Turbos are the fastest stock cars on the street due to their ability to actually plant their 400 horsepower.

11. Numbers lie. Look at torque, not peak horsepower. My car has 320 HP, but also 435 pound feet of torque. A 300 HP import, unless on nitrous, will have a LOT less torque.


12. ANY car with an annoying exhaust is, well, annoying. So please, resist the urge to put on that POS $250 polished ricer fart-can.

Have fun, be safe, and go to a track to be safe.

[InfinatyBPS]

LMFAO

LoL. I thought you were saying Anus for a while lol.

[TamaPlaya]

Ahahahaha... "Leafblower on crack" thats good... *whipes the tear from his eye* hehheh

[Ityl]

Why is fast only in a straight line? Like a viper will run fast 1/4 times, but on a track a z06 is way faster, and half the cost. Then you get the japanese cars, cheap, fast, light good handling, but are so cheesy, they still don't have the quality. Yes some if the inexpensive american cars are the same way, but most american cars still have better quality, look and see what cars look and run nice after 10 years, I see a lot of beater japanese cars. And american cars have way more style, can't tell them japanese ones apart. Monte Carlo SS, Impala, Mustang, Viper, Vette, Avenger, all these cars have some really nice style. I will prolly never buy a non american company car. Think of the difference of Kingman and AGD.

[FaSSt]

You right about the different measures of "fast" - it's just that the initial topic was straight-line acceleration.

But I would disagree with your statement about imports having "less quality". I love my Camaro, and it IS fast, but the inside is nothing compared to some Japanese cars that are $10,000 cheaper.

In terms of handling, unless you are looking at a very smooth TRACK surface, you want an independent suspension for best results and optimum streetability. It's VERY hard to beat an Integra GSR, for instance, in the twisties. My Camaro may well loose a race on a winding road to a well prepared Integra, despite me having an enormous (over 100 HP) advantage.

One thing people forget is that this is kind of like the Mag vs. Cocker debate. Out "adversaries" are not each other, domestic vs. import. The common "enemy" is the unskilled, uncaring, unattentive, cell-phone blathering idiot in a 3 ton SUV, or any other dumb driver. Performance enthusiasts, friendly ribbing aside, must unite or loose a lot of our rights.

[TamaPlaya]

How 'bout a F-22 Raptor? Fast enough for ya? A F-22 would make a dragster look like a paralized turtle!

[udtseal]

I like cars...Im happy with my 1.8T Jetta Wolfsburg, 150hp, 162 ft. lbs. of tourqe. No rocket but its fun to drive. People get so bent out of shape, don't sweat the small stuff. Someone, somewhere, will always have a faster car.

[MikeCouves]

Man. Some guy in British Columbia that is rollin the the cash that was obsessed woith boats. He pulled up in the coolest looking truck and the biggest boat and boat trailer I have ever seen at the boat launch. The truck was the front of a freightliner semi, and the back of a dodge ram. Anyways, who cares about the truck .

The boat had a 1200 HP engine, couldn't get a chance to get up close but I was close enough to see the nice insides. Now I don't know much about engines and cars...but this beast was so loud I think people left cuz their ears hurt! Man, I love that deep sound of american muscle cars, and this...man I was almost crying. Duuuuuuuuuuuun, dddddddddun, duuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnn. Everyone was so impressed.

Then we went out in the water and starting showing off. He wanted to test out how his completely custom boat worked. He made the boat completely himself so it was pretty cool. He could do like 120 mph at half throttle. You could hear him from the other side of the lake and this was a BIG lake. It sounded like the boat was right in front of you, yet when it was like 2 miles away.

It had to be the nicest sound I have ever heard...and it sure bet our boat, having like 350 or something, lol.



He sure got to the fireworks first that night .

[DRAGONSLAYER]

I love American cars, but will respect anyone who builds 'em
fast! I'm in the process of restoring a '86 Monte Carlo SS.

[bornl33t]

Well, being just another joe shmoe on the road I respect any car that can lay down some serious rubber, but one thing alot of ppl still need to learn it to NOT put down other ppl's cars. I own a Mustang, my dad had a 71 mach 1 with a 429 cobra jet and I'm on my best way there. Other then the pre 93 mustangs I have a hard time liking the rest. If I ever get the money together I will buy a chevy truck. I like the "american truck look" they truly show. I thing japaness cars have the sport look though through and though and if I'm ever rich, a BMW, Porsch or Mercedes would be my choice.

That said, to all of you that have a problem with domesic cars: No matter what kinda 4 banger you roll up in you will NEVER be able to out perform a v-8. Displacement will shut anything down. Not to mension that domestic motors are cheap and the aftermarket is huge.

TO all those to have a problem with Ford, that's fine so do I. But, how is it possible that something so hated is holding the current drag/speed record in the 1/4 mile?


Oh and a F-22 isn't that fast in the 1/4 mile. But the towl heads may find it's certain trouble once it leave the 1/4 mile

And ummm, fart cans as soooooo anoing.

[CoFFeY[NiTrO]]

I'm 14 and LOVE Chevy's. My dad has a 71 Nova, factory air, original miles,
Bad stuf
crapy piant-job, seats tearing(we wanna put bucket seats in it), and every summer different parts break and we replace them (I think we almost have the whole thing replaced but not fancy just regular parts).

Any way I wanna get a Chevelle, Z/28, or '57' Vette.
My to favorite cars are 1968 Z/28 with all the good stuff( duel exhaust, 407, naus, ect.)
Or a 1957 Vette with all the good stuff
I don't know why I'm telling you this forgive me if I got off topic

[bornl33t]

ps.... fast and the furious is 99% made up. If you talk to anyone that knows cars you will be made fun of if you bring up anything from the movie.

Neus I presume is NOS. in the movie they call is neus but that's the movie... in real life it's called nitrous. short for nitrous oxide, O2. Just had to teach my cousin this last night.

[Flamebo]

Oi...

GM just announced that it's going to stop making the Camaro and Firebird. They're both watered down versions of the real muscle cars, but it's still a shame.

[Flamebo]

Argh....

I despise when I hear people say "naus" or "nos" or however they spell it, and most of the time it's because of that crap movie which I refuse to watch. Nitrous Oxide is NO2, and "NOS" means Nitrous Oxide System. There's no gas called "naus" so take your F&F rice movie terms elsewhere.