2nd amemdment

[Southpaw]

I just signed up Please do the same!

[grEnAlEins]

I just signed up Please do the same!

Good for you!!
Which magazine did you get? I am an America's 1st Freedom guy personally.

[Southpaw]

I picked the freedom one too. My dad is a life member and gets the other two and I can look through them whenever I am at there house.

I would have signed up as a life member BUT I have better plans for the $1000. I have been looking at getting into the CMP so I think I will get a NM AR. Maybe I can next year I can become a life member or if we get another stimulus check. That would sure piss off Obama

[michbich]

Fertilizer can be bad? In the great words of Beavis and Butthead-'plop plop plop! hehehehehe!'

[grEnAlEins]

Join the NRA. So far, 4 million NRA members are doing the work for nearly 100 million gun owners.

When the NRA becomes the largest, most powerful lobby in Washington, whose sole purpose is to safeguard the 2nd Amendment, no anti-Constitution legislation would have a chance of passing.

To back this point up for those toying with the idea of joining remember this:

We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.

Make sure your voice is heard.

[grEnAlEins]

Just imagine if your entier trunk is stuffed with that.

No need to imagine it. It already happened in this country

[BobTheCow]

I just want to hear the argument for limiting a persons right to buy something they want.

I'm not taking a stand on the gun issue here, I have mixed feelings, but I'm curious to get your opinion on something based on this sentence. I ask because I generally agree with that sentiment, and would like to see how it extends for other people. I'm not simply trying to be contentious.

What's your opinion on marijuana?

[grEnAlEins]

What's your opinion on marijuana?

Not that you asked me, but I'll answer anywho...
I believe that it should be illegal, but decriminalized for cases of individual use. Assess a reasonable fine (essentially an excise and/or pigovian tax) and send the offender on their merry way. Distributors should be dealt with by way of criminal sanction, as they are now.

It is kinda like how I have the right to bear arms but must pay an elevated tax on firearms and ammunition.

[Hilltop Customs]

I'm not taking a stand on the gun issue here, I have mixed feelings, but I'm curious to get your opinion on something based on this sentence. I ask because I generally agree with that sentiment, and would like to see how it extends for other people. I'm not simply trying to be contentious.

What's your opinion on marijuana?

I think if it doesnt impede on others rights of the user or the people around them, theres no legitimate reason why it should not be legal.

I mention the rights of the user, because IMO highly addictive drugs trap and hold hostage the user....even if they want to quit it is extremely difficult. IMO drugs like this should be illegal....the only problem is different people have different traits when it comes to addiction, so kind of like this whole gun ban...who decides where to draw the line?

For marijuana I will dispute every common misconception out there: gateway drug, crime, violence, addictiveness.....they are lies and the ones which are not lies are only caused by the drugs illegality, not the drug itself.

If anyone disagrees, I would love to hear your thoughts.





On the original topic, why is this gun control issue hinged on the second amendment?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
No one is taking away your right to bear arms, only certain type of arms....and plays straight into "common-sense" regulation, which is exactly what this ban is trying to do. So making an argument against the ban which is dependent on that amendment is IMO bound to fail.

[Coralis]

I know I'm on the minority side of this argument but if your going to own a gun then own it responsibly. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/....hpCA9fUnLLJ94

[PyRo]

I know I'm on the minority side of this argument but if your going to own a gun then own it responsibly. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/....hpCA9fUnLLJ94

Let's wait for the whole story. It's unlikely that he shot his father and friends for fun or because they wouldn't give him an ice cream cone.

[michbich]

I know I'm on the minority side of this argument but if your going to own a gun then own it responsibly. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/....hpCA9fUnLLJ94

Or like the man that wanted to make a hole in the wall with his gun and ended up killing his wife in the other room if my memory serves me well.

[Coralis]

Let's wait for the whole story. It's unlikely that he shot his father and friends for fun or because they wouldn't give him an ice cream cone.

The point being is that he had a 8 year old kid in the house and the gun wasnt secured to prevent unauthorized use.

[bornl33t]

I know I'm on the minority side of this argument but if your going to own a gun then own it responsibly. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/....hpCA9fUnLLJ94

I say the same about vehicles...but no one listens. In fact my wife was rear ended by some one more concerned about a cigarette then being responsible as was demonstrated by the lack of insurance. I would say that I trust a gun owner over a motorist any day.

I hate chewing this through every time. For every incident, statistic or fact that one can present against gun ownership there are two to refute it. After the last election I'm surprised anyone considers the news to be a valid source of unbiased media information

https://www.justfacts.com

[grEnAlEins]

I mention the rights of the user, because IMO highly addictive drugs trap and hold hostage the user....even if they want to quit it is extremely difficult.
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On the original topic, why is this gun control issue hinged on the second amendment?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
No one is taking away your right to bear arms, only certain type of arms....and plays straight into "common-sense" regulation, which is exactly what this ban is trying to do. So making an argument against the ban which is dependent on that amendment is IMO bound to fail.

I would tend to disagree. I think you should have the right to ingest what you want, but you have the responsibility to deal with the consequences. If your drug use causes medical problems you should not be entitle to free medical care. You assumed the responsibility when you took the risk associated with usage and impaired yourself. That is my take on it.

They are not taking it away, they are just infringing upon it. Wait, didn't I read similar language about that somewhere...
Common sense regulations are not a violation huh? Have you read and understood the legal language and ramifications of broad and arbitrary terms in the last ban? How about of the Obama sponsored legislation in Illinois that would have banned all handguns, all semi-autos, and anything that could fire a cartridge more powerful that outdated .22LR ammunition? But that is "common sense" and "for the greater good" and therefore not a violation of the US Constitution, right? I take it that you have not looked into the issue to this extent. Maybe you should do some reading. The full text of the last ban and regulations, and all of Obama's bills from Illinois, are available online. They are a significant impedance on my rights in my eyes. Shall not be infringed means just that. The fact that the the ban does directly violate the "spirit of the law" behind the amendment is a more than valid argument. In fact, it is the correct one to make. The only problem is that nobody cares about the Constitution anymore. It is a hollow document today. The purpose of the 2nd amendment was to have a heavily armed populace nation wide. This was the reason for things like the CMP, which used to a function of the Dept. of the Army.

I leave you to ponder this:

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.

I would never invade the United States (mainland was implied), there would be a gun behind every blade of grass.