crossing the USA/CANADA border heads up!

[LK-13]

As of June 1, 2009, you will need a passport or other "Secured" method of positive identification when traveling into the USA.
This includes American Citizens returning home from travel abroad.

Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html

this is a sad day coming.

until June 1, 2009 Canada and the USA had the worlds longest unprotected border.
the people that want to control and curtail the freedom of the North American People
Both American and Canadian,
HAVE WON AND DEFEATED THE FREE WORLD AS OF THIS DATE.

Joseph Stalin, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein,
and all of the other cross-eyed pistol wavers have WON!!
FEAR HAS MADE NORTH AMERICA TURN INTO IT'S OWN ENEMY!!

the Aluminum Curtain is falling.
the Stainless Steel reinforcing wont be long behind.

"When the first link in a chain is forged with the intent to bind others
out of fear, prejudice, or ignorance it damages us all irreparably."
quote source unknown.

to quote the Gestapo "vee need to Zee your Paperz pleazzze...."

[Sumthinwicked]

sad day

[neppo1345]

I for one support this. They should have pushed this through a long time ago, rather than putting it off several years.

1. You should have a passport to begin with.

2. It's no harder to show your passport when crossing a border than it is to show your state ID and birth cert.

From someone who has traveled outside The United States on a regular basis: Using a passport is actually easier than having to produce two forms of ID when crossing the border.

You two have apparently never flown outside of the U.S. or Canada.

[LK-13]

I for one support this. They should have pushed this through a long time ago, rather than putting it off several years.

1. You should have a passport to begin with.

2. It's no harder to show your passport when crossing a border than it is to show your state ID and birth cert.

From someone who has traveled outside The United States on a regular basis: Using a passport is actually easier than having to produce two forms of ID when crossing the border.

You two have apparently never flown outside of the U.S. or Canada.

It's not "just a change in papers" the border before was regulated,
but now it's Openly Armed. And I don't mean Officers carrying a side arm,
I mean beginning June 1, there will be M16's or what ever variant the Border Guards
will be issued, covering the traffic inbound to the USA.
I crossed today and spent some time talking with one of the guys I know at the border.
this is just the first link in the chain that will bind us all COMRADE!
Pray that I'm wrong!
but the next 20 years may be very dark.

you better re-read your history notes.
specifically look up
"Isolationism"
"Totalitarianism"
"Roman Dictatorships, Function, Rise & Fall"
"Germany 1930 to 1989"
"Cuba 1953 to 2009"
"China 1926 to 2006" and the list goes on.

silly me I almost forgot the most local version : McCarthyism
read up on that one.

[Sumthinwicked]

i have flown many places neppo its still a sad day

[SCpoloRicker]

Wait, now securing the borders is a problem?



/as an aside, the ridiculous "Obama is teh Socialist!" folks are about as retarded as the "Bush is teh Hitler" types
//also, "Obama" triggers my spellcheck

[Tunaman]

I also don't see the harm in showing a passport to get into a foreign country. They really need to know who is coming over here...and going there. I say shoot anyone who doesn't comply. When they sneak a "smart bomb" or the like into this country people will be screaming "HOW did they cross the border with it?"

[punkncat]

I have no problem with people having to show a passport to enter our country from anywhere, much less from those lazy burrito munching Canadians...wait....

[maniacmechanic]

I for one support this. They should have pushed this through a long time ago, rather than putting it off several years.

1. You should have a passport to begin with.

2. It's no harder to show your passport when crossing a border than it is to show your state ID and birth cert.

From someone who has traveled outside The United States on a regular basis: Using a passport is actually easier than having to produce two forms of ID when crossing the border.

You two have apparently never flown outside of the U.S. or Canada.

are the Canidians or the Mexicans our enemies ? If your are arriving from overseas sure you should have a passport
I'm 50 years old & have never had a passport or flown outside the US , and believe it or not there are a LOT of US citizens that have never been out of this country
I see this as an infringment of my rights as a free citizen
I'll assume ( bad word ) when they start knocking on doors & collecting guns " to protect you " you will gladly give them up
Then we will have to have " papers " to go from state to state , they are slowly , methodicly taking away the freedoms our forfathers fought so hard for

[maniacmechanic]

I also don't see the harm in showing a passport to get into a foreign country. They really need to know who is coming over here...and going there. I say shoot anyone who doesn't comply. When they sneak a "smart bomb" or the like into this country people will be screaming "HOW did they cross the border with it?"

I've never considered Canada or Mexico a foreign country
How long is the Canidian border & the Mexican border ? are they going to " iron curtain " it like LK said , otherwise you can cross it just about anywhere
Remember " A lock doesn't stop a thief , it just keeps an honest man honest "

[Raven001]

I also don't see the harm in showing a passport to get into a foreign country. They really need to know who is coming over here...and going there. I say shoot anyone who doesn't comply. When they sneak a "smart bomb" or the like into this country people will be screaming "HOW did they cross the border with it?"

Probably the same way the sneak in tons of Cocaine, wetbacks and stuff. That's assuming they don't buy the ingredients from some local businessmen.

[neppo1345]

It's not "just a change in papers" the border before was regulated,
but now it's Openly Armed. And I don't mean Officers carrying a side arm,
I mean beginning June 1, there will be M16's or what ever variant the Border Guards
will be issued, covering the traffic inbound to the USA.
I crossed today and spent some time talking with one of the guys I know at the border.
this is just the first link in the chain that will bind us all COMRADE!
Pray that I'm wrong!
but the next 20 years may be very dark.

you better re-read your history notes.
specifically look up
"Isolationism"
"Totalitarianism"
"Roman Dictatorships, Function, Rise & Fall"
"Germany 1930 to 1989"
"Cuba 1953 to 2009"
"China 1926 to 2006" and the list goes on.

silly me I almost forgot the most local version : McCarthyism
read up on that one.

Really, REALLY? McCarthyism? I know my history, NO.

How does the caliber of weapons at the border change things? I'd rather have them armed with rifles, it lowers the chance of some green border gaurd putting a round through by head when he's shooting at some jackass trying to rush the border.

The border crossing with Canada and Mexico has been a joke for YEARS.

The fact is that it's a border between two countries, and it should be treated as such. I don't need to go into how strong borders can defend against foreign enemies.

are the Canidians or the Mexicans our enemies ? If your are arriving from overseas sure you should have a passport
I'm 50 years old & have never had a passport or flown outside the US , and believe it or not there are a LOT of US citizens that have never been out of this country
I see this as an infringment of my rights as a free citizen
I'll assume ( bad word ) when they start knocking on doors & collecting guns " to protect you " you will gladly give them up
Then we will have to have " papers " to go from state to state , they are slowly , methodicly taking away the freedoms our forfathers fought so hard for

The Canucks and Mexicans aren't our enemies, but along the lines of that argument: Is everyone who comes in from overseas our enemy? What about the few enemies who get into Canada or Mexico? Why not make it just that much more difficult for them to get in.

How is it an infringement of your rights that you need a passport or NEXUS (or similar) card? You people do realize that this is the WHTI, this is not only a U.S. policy; it's the ENTIRE WESTERN HEMISPHERE.

I have small guns to defend my home and myself, I have bigger guns to defend my smaller guns when they come for them.

Long before we have to show papers to go from state to state, I'll be fighting for my freedom yelling "WOLVERINES!" at the top of my lungs.

[chafnerjr]

[Raven001]

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/0...anada-911.html

We up here feel that your southern border is a hell of a lot more susceptible to infiltration than up north. The routes for drug smuggling and people crossing are well established as well as the possibility that some border crossings are manned by guards who are compromised.

That all being said, I think some of LK13's remarks are unwarrented.

[Lohman446]

Because some of us don't have a passport and travel to Canada on a whim. Now we won't.