looking for a sub compact pistol

[MANN]

I am in the market for a small carrying pistol. I am not a huge fan of revolvers, but I guess I would take them into consideration. I am almost sold on the Kel Tec P3AT (.380) right now. I want something around the same size (length 5.2", height 3.5", width .77", weight loaded 11.1oz, 6 rounds)

I know a few of you guys carry so I figured this would be a good spot to get opinions. My XD-9 is way to big for an every day carry.

[Automag88]

My XD-9 is way to big for an every day carry.

I was gonna recommend an XD-40 haha

[BiNumber3]

My dad used to have a makarov, was quite small, don't remember exact dimensions n weight tho. Pretty simple and efficient design.

hmm just wiki'ed it, seems it's just a bit larger than what you want

[WickedKlown2]

Stay with Springfield and get the XD9 Sub Compact... Very small and reliable... Also it's going to make one heck of a racket when fired,,, so if you don't hit your intended target you are going to scare the crap out of them on noise alone...

here's a link: http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=59

Hope that helps Bro.

WK2

[MoeMag]

http://www.naaminis.com/

Awesome company. I am going to pick up a pug in 22mag very shortly. They do have a neat little auto.

http://www.bondarms.com/

Perhaps the most sturdy built gun on the planet.

[neppo1345]

Currently looking at the Ruger LCP ...
Also a fan of the S&W M&P .40 Sub Compact...

[MANN]

Stay with Springfield and get the XD9 Sub Compact...

I really wanted to, but i want something that is completely concealable. Something I can put in my pocket.

http://www.naaminis.com/
Awesome company. I am going to pick up a pug in 22mag very shortly. They do have a neat little auto.

http://www.bondarms.com/

Perhaps the most sturdy built gun on the planet.

I like the guardian that naa makes. The only reason I was leaning toward the kel tec is the weight & price factor.

One of my brothers has a pistol similar to the ones shown at bondarms (heck it might even be one of theirs). The downside to it is the weight, and only having 2 shots.

Currently looking at the Ruger LCP ...

I will have to check this one out.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. keep them coming.

[busby]

http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Wea...ct-Pistol.aspx glock 27 or 36?

[Chace]

Beretta Tomcat would be something to consider. My stepfather can put it in his pocket in plain clothing. For short range/self defense a 32 would have fair stopping power. I would say anything past 15 yards wouldn't do much more than a 22 lr round.

[Lohman446]

I have a Keltec P3AT - the frame broke where the spring goes to it and has rendered the gun unoperational. Supposedly Keltec will fix this if I send it in.

However, a pocket pistol must be 100% reliable, and from my own experience and this experience I would pronounce this an unacceptable failure. Ruger LCPs have not had a stellar track record from what I hear.

I had a Beretta Tomcat for awhile. The bad: Heavy for its size (not too bad) and only available in 32 (no 380). That being said both the 32 and 380 should come in on the same scale - not a great round but better than a 22 or 25.

My favorite - and stretching it a long ways for pocket carry would be a Smith and Wesson Airweight 38 revolver. The pocket 357s with that short barrel do not impress me (though I like my SP101 I would not consider it a pocket gun).

Of course, if I was going to spend the money and go all out the http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/ R9 fits your needs - 14.3 ounces with magazine - pocketable size, and 9MM. Of course the $800 price tag is a draw back.

The NAA guardian is heavy, though gets good reviews otherwise

Seecamp is the cult favorite.

Getting service accuracy out of those guns is not easy. I have a laser on my P3AT in a modified nemesis holster. It breaks up the outline giving it a square "not a gun" outline if it prints. The "lesser" cartridges give less room for error.

If I had to chose form the above, and you told me the Airweight was not a pocket gun I would pick the Beretta with some "serious" ammo such as corbon

[MANN]

My favorite - and stretching it a long ways for pocket carry would be a Smith and Wesson Airweight 38 revolver.

My father in law carries one of these. It is amazing how light they are.

Of course, if I was going to spend the money and go all out the http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/ R9 fits your needs - 14.3 ounces with magazine - pocketable size, and 9MM. Of course the $800 price tag is a draw back.

I did not realize that they made pocket sized 9mms. I looked for ^^ one, and it looks like its ~1100msrp right now. Which defiently keeps it out of my price range for the moment(but a huge possibility in the future). I am actually looking to buy 2 of whatever I get (one for me and one for the wife)

While searching for the rohrbaugh 9mm I ran across another new pocket 9mm.

Microtech small arms Archangel 9mm

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/products/microtech-archangel/

It has a 5+1 cap, and lipseys is stating that the weight is only 7.1oz and msrp is under 500.00

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=MS350-1R-MCP&mfg=Microtech+Small+Arms+Research

I called microtech this morning, and talked to a guy named zach. He said if everything goes as scheduled that they will be released in time for Christmas.

I am on the fence if I want to be a "beta" tester for a new gun like this. On one hand it looks like everything one could want/need, but on the other it has not gone through the "field" testing that most of the other pistols have.

[Lohman446]

Most first generation "micro" pistols have had issues reported that have cleared up in the second run. The ones I can recall off hand

Ruger LCP - safety recall - (failure of hammer block safety) + ejection issues (ejected shells recovered 20 feet away)
Beretta Tomcat - failure to eject / stovepiping
Rorbourgh - failure to feed
Keltec - general breakage in the P3AT - though no such complaints from the 32 IIRC
Seecamp - general tolerance issues.

The microtech you brought up is intriguing none the less. So is the bond arms listed above (I like because its available in the 357 / 38 variant matching the SP101 and Airweight that I am thinking will become my standard carry arms).

[Lohman446]

I hate you all.. now I need to find someone who sells Bond Arms around here....

As to pricing - yopu can always check gunsamerica.com

[Lohman446]

This one snuck in on me. Personally I don't like Kahrs but they make a P380

Length 4.9"
Height 3.9"
Width .75"
Pistol (no magazine) 9.9 ounces

Some of the Kahr PM series are close too, and far closer to a combat size pistol

PM40
Length: 5.35"
Height: 4"
Width: not published
15.8 ounces empty

[MANN]

I ran across this during lunch today. I found it useful when comparing firearms.

http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf