Wow, there are some SERIOUS scumbags in Australia.

[Ando]

Calling me an idiot doesnt make your argument any more valid.

Yes it does...


EDIT:

And before you make yourself look anymore idiotic. Do some research before you say another word. Every single person receiving these awards are bound by law to not sell, give, barter, exchange...etc...etc...of said medals.

I'm sure you'll have some "My feedoms are being violated" complaint over these laws too...

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000711----000-.html

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000711---a000-.html

[CatoRockwell]

Yes it does...


EDIT:

And before you make yourself look anymore idiotic. Do some research before you say another word. Every single person receiving these awards are bound by law to not sell, give, barter, exchange...etc...etc...of said medals.

I'm sure you'll have some "My feedoms are being violated" complaint over these laws too...

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000711----000-.html

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1...1---a000-.html

Im just curious, what is your problem? Did you even read what i said?

I know there is a law, what ive been saying is there is no need for that law to exist. As for your comment about dissidents, guess who our founding fathers were? Dissidents.

What blows my mind is that despite my attempts to respect your views and be civil, you continue to respond like a child from PBN. If you wish to discuss the subject i would be happy to continue.

I wasnt arguing what is already a law, i know thats the law, i was discussing whether the law should exist.

[mr.mag218]

the answer is yes. end of argument. if you want even a slight clue as to how highly respected any medal is i first suggest you ask a serviceman to walk with him through the mall. people will offer him dinner, lunch, clothes everything short of a happy ending. put a medal of honor on that uniform, and people should place him on a throne and carry him.

its not the medals themselves people are respecting (or that the laws are protecting) as its not a jewelry item. these prestige's are awarded for actions taken to save others lives and the respect is given by citizens in recognition of these brave actions. the laws are there to protect the valor these people have displayed to earn such high regard in the military and so no schmuck can go around flaunting what they can only wish to achieve in life.

-on a sidenote if you ever see someone with a purple heart and want to know if they really earned it, just ask and there are 2 quick ways to tell
1) he pulls a forest gump and shows you his ***
2) you wake up in the hospital, with little recollection of what happend

[drg]

This could make a good movie prop.

[Ando]

Im just curious, what is your problem? Did you even read what i said?

I know there is a law, what ive been saying is there is no need for that law to exist. As for your comment about dissidents, guess who our founding fathers were? Dissidents.

What blows my mind is that despite my attempts to respect your views and be civil, you continue to respond like a child from PBN. If you wish to discuss the subject i would be happy to continue.

I wasnt arguing what is already a law, i know thats the law, i was discussing whether the law should exist.

Really...PBN kid? You speaking your mind about something you know nothing about is more along those lines. You're no better then the ingrate trying to sell off the "memorabilia" and plz do explain why you think there's no need for this law. Besides you calling it a "pretty stupid law", you've given butkus. How on earth do you expect anyone to have a discussion with someone who know nothing on the subject mater?

As for your comment about dissidents, guess who our founding fathers were? Dissidents.

Ya ok and who coined that name for our founding fathers? No one on this side of the pond I can tell ya. You go ahead and call them dissidents, I on the other hand will call them for what they really were....Patriots.

[DevilMan]

Ya ok and who coined that name for our founding fathers? No one on this side of the pond I can tell ya. You go ahead and call them dissidents, I on the other hand will call them for what they really were....Patriots.

Actually they were traitors if they were anything.

I mean truth be told, they went against the government right? So yeah... sorry Ando, but I gotta call it that way... I wouldn't say that the founding fathers were patriots... well not in the beginning anyway.

DM

[Ando]

Actually they were traitors if they were anything.

I mean truth be told, they went against the government right? So yeah... sorry Ando, but I gotta call it that way... I wouldn't say that the founding fathers were patriots... well not in the beginning anyway.

DM

Touche

[DevilMan]

And as for the original issue on this thread...

It's not illegal to do this stuff around the rest of the world. It's their rules. NOW, if they want to ship to the US and they KNOW and STATE that it's illegal to do so, then sure, report it. As for them doing it... it's legal where they are. It may be illegal here to eat cats and dogs. But other places in the world its more than normal. It's the way it is guys...

DM

[CatoRockwell]

Really...PBN kid? You speaking your mind about something you know nothing about is more along those lines. You're no better then the ingrate trying to sell off the "memorabilia" and plz do explain why you think there's no need for this law. Besides you calling it a "pretty stupid law", you've given butkus. How on earth do you expect anyone to have a discussion with someone who know nothing on the subject mater?


Ya ok and who coined that name for our founding fathers? No one on this side of the pond I can tell ya. You go ahead and call them dissidents, I on the other hand will call them for what they really were....Patriots.

I understand the purpose of law, you need to learn to respect views different than your own. I have stated again and again, that what these people do is wrong, a fact which you refuse to recognize.

What you keep failing to address is the purpose of law. To protect people from having their freedoms violated. As much as I hate flag burning, impersonation of our troops, these individuals are not violating anyone's rights.

If you make it an issue of contract than those in violation of the contract can be legally sought after. However, there is no need for a federal law.

It's sad that you call me names even though I agree with you, I just don't agree with the solution.

Addressing your comment about dissidents. Lets look at the definition:

Mirriam Webster: disagreeing especially with an established religious or political system, organization, or belief

So it wasn't the british labeling them as dissident, they were dissidents by definition since they disagreed with the established government. There is nothing wrong with being a dissident, in fact if you have any disagreement with the current administration then you too my friend are a dissident.

maybe if you weren't so busy getting your dander up, you would realize that I am not against you. I am simply stating that it is not the duty of a law to prevent disrespect towards our troops. It is our private duty to respect our fighting men.

Your continuous resorting to name calling only further proves that you are not willing to address the problem of giving this kind of authority to government or my proposed solution to the problem.

I would think that a respected member of AO could show a little more maturity in dealing with a person who means him nor our troops any ill will or disrespect. I am simply addressing the issue that this problem does not need to be solved by law.

To answer your question: A simple contract binding the servicemen to not sell the medal would be more than enough to present a case in court for breach of contract. This would also allow those who have history collections to obtain these items legally, so long as the contract permits exchange to museums or private collections. Each branch can determine what the contract will entail, this way if a serviceman sells his decorations he will be in breach of contract, not the private citizen who signed no such agreement.

Problem solved, no law.

[ProblemKinder]

WTH!!!

You do not question someone wearing a Bronze Star, Distinguished Service Cross...especially a Medal of F'en Valor (aka honor)...You buy that person his drinks for the night, talk war stories till closing (if in a VFW...we call them "War Lies" ) and kiss his *** to no end. To question someone with any of the top 10 medals is like slapping them in the face. 99% of the time, they went through hell and back to get it and usually come out missing something (fingers, limbs, sight or mind).

If you had been in the military, you wouldn't be asking a question like that and would know why we need laws such as this one on the books. Without laws like these, you might as well spit on ever person who received them. Point and case the A-Hole in the link Xero posted.

I was in the military. I agree with Cato. People who worship 4 star generals just because they're 4 star generals are pathetic. In my experience the majority of the people who make high rank are the ones too scared to leave the military, and SOMEBODY has to get promoted.

medals are different than rank obviously, but you still don't know the conditions under which they received the medal. some medals get handed out like candy. I'll get to know somebody before I consider them worthy of free drinks funded by my checking account, regardless of how shiny their chest is.

[ProblemKinder]

ROFL...It takes more then a wave of a medal to get into a gov facility and I'll stoop to calling you name cause your an idiot for thinking that and for calling the Medal of Honor "memorabilia". It's not something you pick up at the duty free zone after coming back from some crap hole war torn country. I been in 3 conflicts myself and I tell you what. When I hear people talk about something they have no clue about, it gets my goat to no end. This conversation is way way way over your head.

you should probably read more carefully dude...

Well i wont stoop to calling you names, i agree its disrespectful but any idiot stupid enough to allow someone into a secure location just because they have a medal deserves what they get. I agree there should be laws to prevent impersonation of government officials. But as far as i can tell you dont get into secure facilities just because you earned a MOH.

he agrees with you

[ProblemKinder]

Yes it does...


EDIT:

And before you make yourself look anymore idiotic. Do some research before you say another word. Every single person receiving these awards are bound by law to not sell, give, barter, exchange...etc...etc...of said medals.

I'm sure you'll have some "My feedoms are being violated" complaint over these laws too...

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000711----000-.html

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1...1---a000-.html

you sir, are an idiot. that is all.

[Ando]

First of all, I'm taking 0 responsibility for what I say when I'm knee deep in the bottle.
Wow...Damage control for myself is going to be hell on this thread...

I understand the purpose of law, you need to learn to respect views different than your own. I have stated again and again, that what these people do is wrong, a fact which you refuse to recognize.

I'm willing to bet way smarter people then you and I had this debated before it became law. With that said, you understand the purpose of the law but you think it's unconstitutional because it somehow violates the persons freedoms to buy something? Well, I want a Mark 19 and I'm sure Durka Durka over there would love a nuclear war head but guess what, fat chance of that ever happening cause it's against the law to have them. Are our rights being violated? No they're not...Owning something like that is illegal as hell and is also how the government views these medals. Laws are in place for many reasons, more then i can think of and I would really like you to show me where it states in our Constitution that Joe Schmo has a constitutional right to go out and purchase a Medal of Honor at his local Piggly Wiggly. You show me that and I'll concede. Until then, anything you say and have said is moot. How about we toss out the Bill of Rights and see how that plays out.

What you keep failing to address is the purpose of law. To protect people from having their freedoms violated. As much as I hate flag burning, impersonation of our troops, these individuals are not violating anyone's rights.

You keep failing to understand the reasoning behind these laws. Laws like desecrating the flag (yes there is a law against burning, mutilating, even pooping on it) or impersonating a government official is a violation because it's a law passed by the people we appointed, our Congressmen and President. In a nutshell, a law is a belief that someone felt very strong about, stood up for the piece of legislation they wrote and got the majorly vote from Congress and the Presidents hancock.

Burning the flag is a violation of our governments rights, the rights of ever service members and every damn red blooded American whether they believe in it or not. It's a federal law that each and everyone of us will abide by or you'll go to jail. If you have a issue with it, you can take it up with your congressmen and see if he'll take on your cause to get it removed.

A belief is a powerful thing and is all it takes. Add in a few specialist willing to testify on behalf of the legislation and you basically have a law suitable for congress to vote on.

If you make it an issue of contract than those in violation of the contract can be legally sought after. However, there is no need for a federal law.

It's sad that you call me names even though I agree with you, I just don't agree with the solution.

Who are we to say what the government can and can't do with these awards. They're the ones who awarded the service members, they can choose to take any measures they deem fit when protecting said property. Case in point the Oscars. Everyone receiving one of those statues are bound by contract to not sell or give away, if they don't agree, the statue stays in their vault, even if the person won it. Same goes with these medals, they are tracked by The Institute of Heraldry which every medal awarded is put in this huge database.

There is a need for federal laws when it comes to sensitive items such as these and the gov can go to any measures to protect them just as we can with our own property.

Addressing your comment about dissidents. Lets look at the definition:

Mirriam Webster: disagreeing especially with an established religious or political system, organization, or belief

So it wasn't the british labeling them as dissident, they were dissidents by definition since they disagreed with the established government. There is nothing wrong with being a dissident.

Whatever that was a bad joke.

maybe if you weren't so busy getting your dander up, you would realize that I am not against you. I am simply stating that it is not the duty of a law to prevent the dishonor of our troops.

You are against me just for saying that and who's going to prevent it? You? The military? I seriously doubt you'll like the outcome of that one.

I would think that a respected member of AO could show a little more maturity in dealing with a person who means him nor our troops any ill will or disrespect. I am simply addressing the issue that this problem does not need to be solved by law.

See, now there lies your problem, you thinking I'm respectable.

You've shown nothing but disrespect calling these service medals collectors items and memorabilia which we all can see mean nothing to you but mean the world to each and every service member and their families.

But I digress....Thies memorabilia winners gave you this freedom of speech, gave you the right to have an opinion, gave you everything your enjoy right now, which we see you eating up. So you go a head and wipe your back side with these freedoms.

There's nothing sweeter then demeaning those that gave their lives so you can have a better one.

If they had the choice to turn back the clock. I promise you, they wouldn't change a thing.

There ya go. Is that civil enough for you.

[Ando]

you sir, are an idiot. that is all.

Who pulled your string

[Sumthinwicked]

Who pulled your string

ur always good for getting to the point and making me laugh after LOL