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  • Frizzle Fry
    AO Micromag Guy
    • Mar 2009
    • 3280

    #31
    Whatever Ando, that argument with Brandon aside, I'd just like to say I'm not posting history just to incite an argument (though I was a little steamed and was hoping somebody would post more than opinion). Mostly it just gives some perspective when ignorant people give the argument that "The West" is somehow causing problems where there are none. It seems that it always starts with 'Since the Crusades...' and ends with a Norman Rockwell mosque with little old Sunni and Shi'a men casually sharing a park bench out front while the US bombs the crap out a bunch of smiling kids and puppies. Most people don't get much more than the most cursory history when it comes to relations in the Middle East during this era through an average American education - World Civ classes in high schools tend to gloss over the period between AD 300 and AD 1000, and what they do mention doesn't pertain to Islamic influence on Europe beyond trade routes and "big names". I spotted plenty of those statements in the comments, and having studied that specific era and culture in great depth, I always get a little pissed off when I see them.

    Anyway, there's not really much to gather from this "article" - it's really more like a combination conspiracy theory and propaganda piece. Clearly the author (scribe?) completely misunderstood the STRATFOR article that he quotes so heavily, and it seems that most of his other sources are "unnamed local people of importance" so we'll just have to take his word as to their credibility. I'd be interested to hear more from the ISI though.

    If you don't mind sharing your IP and email address with Big Brother's big brother, you can get a free copy of the report straight from the mouth of the horse, free of misquotes and editing. If you don't want to be on STRATFORs buddy list I can re-post my copy. It's interesting, but the title pretty much says it all.

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    • DevilMan
      FeedBack is at my HomePage
      • Aug 2004
      • 2479

      #32
      Sorry Frizzle... I can't add anything to the convo about the history and all because I don't care to know the full history of the US let alone any other country's background.

      I am however awestruck that you seem to know soo much about all of it... damn...

      As for the original topic...

      I find this like most things... people will believe one thing that is totally "impossible" and yet scream and yell heretic to others that believe in something else just as much so. Meaning... Someone can believe that "Jesus" walked on water, turned blood to wine and made it rain fish.... but they'd be the first to scream and yell that there are no such things as ghosts, that the earth is flat, and that there is no way that extra-terrestial life can exist....

      There is PLENTY of information that the government conceals and will keep concealed until we are all dead and gone. There is just as much that they try to bury and muck it up doing so and there will always be leaks of some kind that they have to try and plug up.

      Anyone who thinks that they ever have the FULL story of what went down at any place and time without actually being there first hand in an omniscient sense is never going to know all of the circumstances of any event. There could be a stand off between hostage takers and LEO's and someone could drop a book that "sounds like a gunshot" and there goes the whole damn thing. Then who is ever going to know who really fired the first shot?

      My point is that there is information out there. It's available. There is also LOTS of misinformation. But if enough truth is known, then the lies will be exposed.

      Thanx for the history lesson BTW.

      DM

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      • Frizzle Fry
        AO Micromag Guy
        • Mar 2009
        • 3280

        #33
        I agree - we'll never know for sure, and you sure as hell can't trust the CIA or any other collection of letters regardless of which country is sending them out on hits. The only thing I'm not questioning is the reasoning behind dumping the body - that just makes sense given the lengths to which some extremist sects will go to ensure proper treatment of a corpse. If there was a body. Or whatever


        Anyway, here's the original STRATFOR article:

        The Tactical Irrelevance of Osama bin Laden's Death
        May 2, 2011 | 1450 GMT

        SummaryAnalysis

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        • Army
          Moderator of DOOOOOOOOMMM!

          • Oct 2000
          • 5785

          #34
          islam sucks.

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          • Ando
            Magusmaximus
            • Jun 2009
            • 4144

            #35
            Originally posted by Army
            islam sucks.
            Boom Goes The Dinamite!!!
            My Feedback

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            • Beemer
              I could tell you but then.

              • Oct 2003
              • 3250

              #36
              Originally posted by hill160881
              Lets just ask SEAL team 6 what really happened.
              Go ahead, just ask them. Let us know.

              Originally posted by Army
              islam sucks.
              Enough said..........end thread........

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              • behemoth
                SVSTC?
                • Nov 2002
                • 7750

                #37
                This is seriously a comedy goldmine.

                I wont say more, lest my posts get nuked.



                again.

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                • SCpoloRicker
                  HA HA I'm custom!!1
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 4375

                  #38
                  Serious cat is, frankly, kinda concerned.
                  God....I guess I was probably returning videotapes.

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